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Michael Jordan - David Thompson
David Robinson - Larry Brown
Jerry Sloan - Charles Barkley
John Stockton - Isiah Thomas

I'll put up some links and articles later today when I get home. LOL this should be entertaining. They should seat Larry and Isiah next to each other and make them sing kumbaya.


 
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Barkley for Sloan? Let me in on that connection please.

I wonder how Zeke and Stockton know each other. I mean, two great point guards, sure.

Interesting. Or is this all just random?
 
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Charles Barkley was Jerry Sloan's late wife's favorite non-Utah Jazz player. And, apparently, Stockton always admired Isiah for how his play represented how other small guards could impact the game.


HOF presenter picks article

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Utah Jazz: Stockton, Sloan make surprise Hall picks

By Steve Luhm
The Salt Lake Tribune

Jerry Sloan and Charles Barkley.

John Stockton and Isiah Thomas.

Odds couples?

Certainly, considering all the wars Sloan, Barkley, Stockton and Thomas waged on the basketball court over the years.

Still, those fierce battles must have resulted in mutual respect -- a fact that became evident Tuesday when it was learned Sloan selected Barkley and Stockton picked Thomas to be their official presenters at Friday's Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame induction ceremonies in Springfield, Mass.

Presenters must already be members of the Hall of Fame and both former NBA stars fit that criteria.

Barkley, a 16-year veteran, an 11-time All-Star and former Most Valuable Player, was inducted in 2006.

Thomas, an All-Star in 12 of his 13 seasons with the Detroit Pistons and the MVP of the 1990 Finals, was inducted in 2000.

When Stockton was named to the original Dream Team in 1992, he got the roster spot many thought would go to Thomas.

For that reason and others, Stockton's selection of Thomas as his presenter was a huge surprise -- at least to outsiders.

"First of all, he set a huge standard for all little guys," Stockton said. "At the time, the NBA was going toward bigger and bigger guards. But he showed everyone that little guys could play, too."

Thomas, who played high school basketball in Chicago, also taught Stockton an early lesson on how much he needed to elevate his game to be a success outside of Spokane, Wash.

"I ran up against him once in high school and he changed my entire view of basketball," Stockton said. "We played in an AAU tournament and I have never seen anything like it."

Beyond the game, Thomas caught Stockton's attention with some good deeds.

"He's done some things behind the scenes that people don't know about," Stockton said. "I'm certainly not going to talk about them now ... but he's shown a lot of class."

Sloan's selection of Barkley as his presenter was only slightly less surprising than Stockton's choice of Thomas.

For Sloan, the reason was simple.

"The biggest thing, I guess, is that my [late] wife Bobbye was a big fan of his," Sloan explained. "At the [1992] All-Star Game in Orlando, she saw him stand there for an hour or so and sign autographs.

"That's when she became a fan. Other than John and Karl [Malone], he was her favorite player."

After Bobbye Sloan's death, Sloan remarried, and his new wife, Tammy, also happens to be a big Barkley fan. So there was another reason to approach Barkley, who was "very gracious" in accepting the job as presenter.

"I didn't know if he'd do it or not," Sloan said.

Along with Stockton and Sloan, the others scheduled to be inducted into the Hall of Fame are Michael Jordan, David Robinson and Vivian Stringer.

Jordan's presenter will be former North Carolina State star David Thompson.

Robinson's presenter will be long-time coach Larry Brown.

Stringer's presenter will be another long-time college coach, John Chaney.

Yahoo! Sports first reported Jordan's selection of Thompson, the high-flying forward who led North Carolina State to the 1974 national championship.

"I got a call from the Hall of Fame and they asked me if I was willing to be a presenter for someone," Thompson told Yahoo! "I said, 'Yeah.' I didn't know who it was. ... They said Michael Jordan. I was like, 'Wow.' He told them that he was a big fan of mine and I was the one that really inspired him. Being that there was so many North Carolina people he could've chose, I was honored."

Thompson grew up in Shelby, N.C. Jordan was just 11 when Thompson led the Wolfpack to their first NCAA championship in 1974. Jordan's boyhood idol, he was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1986.


 
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Charles Barkley was Jerry Sloan's late wife's favorite non-Utah Jazz player.

Well okay, I guess. So in a way, he's letting his wife give his induction speech through Charles Barkley. I'm sure he's had a lot of great minds make a strong impact on his approach to the game, which has put him in the position that he is. So this pick just shows how much she meant to him. Alright.

No pressure, Chuck. Razzer
 
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Michael Jordan is the greatest player in the history of the NBA. The only other player that can even reasonably stake a claim is Wilt Chamberlain. But, Mike is the greatest. It almost pains me to admit it being a Jordan hater. And, while I admit to my bias against him, I really believe the article below is exactly spot on regarding his HOF speech last night.

On a night where essentially everyone is celebrating him as the greatest player ever, his speech was so obnoxious and self loving and vindictive, it was almost unbelievable. Read the article. It paints him and his speech perfectly.

Jordan's night to remember turns petty - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

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SPRINGFIELD, Mass. – The tears tumbled, flooding his face and Michael Jordan had yet to march to the microphone at Symphony Hall. He had listened to the genuine stories and speeches of a remarkable class. He had watched a “This is Your Life” video compilation of his basketball genius. Everything flashed before him, a legacy that he’s fought with body and soul to never, ever let go into yesterday.

Yes, Michael Jordan was still fighting it on Friday night, and maybe he always will. Mostly, he was crying over the passing of that old Jordan, and it wouldn’t be long until he climbed out of his suit and back into his uniform and shorts, back into an adolescent act that’s turned so tedious.

This wasn’t a Hall of Fame induction speech, but a bully tripping nerds with lunch trays in the school cafeteria. He had a responsibility to his standing in history, to players past and present, and he let everyone down. This was a night to leave behind the petty grievances and past slights – real and imagined. This was a night to be gracious, to be generous with praise and credit.

“M.J. was introduced as the greatest player ever and he’s still standing there trying to settle scores,” one Hall of Famer said privately later.

Jordan didn’t hurt his image with the NBA community, as much as he reminded them of it. “That’s who Michael is,” one high-ranking team executive said. “It wasn’t like he was out of character. There’s no one else who could’ve gotten away with what he did tonight. But it was Michael, and everyone just goes along.”

Jordan wandered through an unfocused and uninspired speech at Symphony Hall, disparaging people who had little to do with his career, like Jeff Van Gundy and Bryon Russell. He ignored people who had so much to do with it, like his personal trainer, Tim Grover. This had been a moving and inspirational night for the NBA – one of its best ceremonies ever – and five minutes into Jordan’s speech it began to spiral into something else. Something unworthy of Jordan’s stature, something beneath him.

Jordan spent more time pointlessly admonishing Van Gundy and Russell for crossing him with taunts a dozen years ago than he did singling out his three children. When he finally acknowledged his family, Jordan blurted, in part, to them, “I wouldn’t want to be you guys.”

Well, um, thanks Dad. He meant it, too. If not the NBA, he should’ve thought of his children before he started spraying fire at everyone.

No one ever feels sorry for Isiah Thomas, but Jordan tsk-tsked him and George Gervin and Magic Johnson for the 1985 All-Star game “freeze-out.” Jordan was a rookie, and the older stars decided to isolate him. It was a long time ago, and he obliterated them all for six NBA championships and five MVP trophies. Isiah and the Ice Man looked stunned, as intimidated 50 feet from the stage, as they might have been on the basketball court.

The cheering and laughter egged Jordan on, but this was no public service for him. Just because he was smiling didn’t mean this speech hadn’t dissolved into a downright vicious volley.

Worst of all, he flew his old high school teammate, Leroy Smith, to Springfield for the induction. Remember, Smith was the upperclassman his coach, Pop Herring, kept on varsity over him as a high school sophomore. He waggled to the old coach, “I wanted to make sure you understood: You made a mistake, dude.”

Whatever, Michael. Everyone gets it. Truth be told, everyone got it years ago, but somehow he thinks this is a cleansing exercise. When basketball wanted to celebrate Jordan as the greatest player ever, wanted to honor him for changing basketball everywhere, he was petty and punitive. Yes, there was some wink-wink teasing with his beloved Dean Smith, but make no mistake: Jordan revealed himself to be strangely bitter. You won, Michael. You won it all. Yet, he keeps chasing something that he’ll never catch, and sometimes, well, it all seems so hollow for him.

This is why he’s a terrible basketball executive because he still hasn’t learned to channel his aggressions into hard work on that job. For the Charlotte Bobcats, Jordan remains an absentee boss who keeps searching for basketball players on fairways and greens.

From the speeches of David Robinson to John Stockton, Jerry Sloan to Vivian Stringer, there was an unmistakable thread of peace of mind and purpose. At times, they were self-deprecating and deflective of praise. Jordan hasn’t mastered that art, and it reveals him to be oddly insecure. When Jordan should’ve thanked the Bulls ex-GM, Jerry Krause, for surrounding him with championship coaches and talent, he ridiculed him. It was me, Jordan was saying. Not him. “The organization didn’t play with the flu in Utah,” Jordan grumbled.

For Jordan to let someone else share in the Bulls’ dynasty will never diminish his greatness. Just enhance it. Only, he’s 46 years old and he still doesn’t get it. Yes, Jordan did gush over Scottie Pippen, but he failed to confess that he had wanted Krause to draft North Carolina’s Joe Wolf. Sometimes, no one is better with a half a story, half a truth, than Jordan. All his life, no one’s ever called him on it.

Whatever Jordan wants to believe, understand this: The reason that Van Gundy’s declaration of him as a “con man” so angered him is because it was true on so many levels.

It was part of his competitiveness edge, part of his marketability, and yes, part of his human frailty.

Jordan wasn’t crying over sentimentality on Friday night, as much as he was the loss of a life that he returned from two retirements to have again. The finality of his basketball genius hit him at the induction ceremony, hit him hard. Jordan showed little poise and less grace.

Once again, he turned the evening into something bordering between vicious and vapid, an empty exercise for a night that should’ve had staying power, that should’ve been transformative for basketball and its greatest player. What fueled his fury as a thirtysomething now fuels his bitterness as a lost, wandering fortysomething who threatened a comeback at 50.

“Don’t laugh,” Michael Jordan warned.

No one’s laughing anymore.

Once and for all, Michael: It’s over.

You won.


 
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Yes, Jordan's rambling, inarticulate and egotistical speech was an embarrassment. Especially in comparison with the eloquent, funny, and self-effacing speeches of the other inductees. Jordan maybe the greatest NBA player ever but as a public personality and role figure he always fell way short of the mark. When did he ever do anything to advance social justice? He was about self-aggrandizing and that's about it.
 
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Jordons a total jackass. Im glad the bad boys used to kick his *** on the court.
 
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I really liked Jordan's speech.


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I enjoyed the speech as well. It was in character. You could tell he wasn't trying to satisfy public perceptions. Most people see him as the best ever, love him or hate him, and probably expected him to get up there and give one of the best speeches ever, and probably over-analyzed the whole thing.

I never saw him as a great public speaker, because he always stuttered over himself in interviews, and there were a few moments where you might have thought he should have pulled back, but for the most part, I think he was just trying to be funny and was just staying true to himself.

Some people just don't like that.
 
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Russell issues direct challenge to MJ

Bryon Russell took it as a compliment that Michael Jordan called him out during his Hall of Fame acceptance speech, and Russell responded on Tuesday with a direct challenge.

"Mike, if you want this, come get it," Russell said on the "Waddle & Silvy" show on ESPN 1000. "I'm out here in Calabasas (Calif.). You have the private jet, come on and fly out here.

"The second game can take place in Chicago. I'll fly out there. Let's make a nice, little challenge, have some fun with it and entertain once again."

During Jordan's speech on Friday, he said Russell told him in 1994 that he wanted to guard Jordan. During the 1998 NBA Finals, when Jordan's Chicago Bulls faced Russell's Utah Jazz, Jordan reminded Russell of his wish and said it was about to be realized. Russell was the defender Jordan shook before rising to take the clinching shot in Game 6.

"My response was after all this time I'm still on Mike's mind," Russell said. "I must have done something to leave a good impression, because he's still talking about me to this day, about giving me what I wanted.

"I challenged him [in 1994]. I got him out of retirement, and if I did, it was good for the game."

Russell said Jordan's recollection of the '94 challenge was correct.

"I think that's when he was doing baseball," Russell said. "I ran into him and was like, 'Hey man, why did you retire? I wanted to get a chance to stop you. Say I stopped the greatest.'

"He just smiled is all. Come '96, he said, 'Hey Russell, remember what you said to me?' I was like, 'Yeah.' He said, 'You're about to get your chance.' I got my chance. But when you break down every possession I was on him, I guarantee you I didn't get the bulk of all the points he had. I'm pretty sure I played better defense than anyone who played defense against him."

Russell, 39, said he's confident he could beat Jordan, 46.

"He likes challenges, so I'm challenging him once again," Russell said. "I'm always going to be forever tied to him, so why not give fans what they want again?"

And what would be at stake? "Put up our egos," Russell said. "Bragging rights."
 
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I would love to see this.

Russell: Jordan 'afraid' to play him

Bryon Russell wasn't joking when he challenged Michael Jordan to a game of one-on-one after being called out in Jordan's Hall of Fame induction speech. But Russell is beginning to think that Jordan was kidding when he agreed to play.

In an interview with SI.com on Friday, Russell said he spoke to Jordan a few days after the speech in September and outlined a scenario in which the two would face off for charity. Russell said Jordan agreed pending review of an official proposal. According to Russell, he had the plan drawn up a month later but Jordan hasn't returned his calls.

"I got everything together that he wanted and now I'm just waiting on his response," said Russell, Jordan's teammate with the Wizards during the 2002-03 season. "I don't know if he's scared or what."

The proposed pay-per-view matchup would take place in Las Vegas in late June or July. While the game would benefit charity, Russell, 38, indicated that he's lined up sponsors and investors who could give Jordan, 46, a multimillion-dollar payday.

"If he looked at this, I guarantee you he wouldn't turn this down," said Russell, who retired in 2006. "Let's just say it's what he asked for and more. It's going to be like a fight night but bigger. Can you imagine Vegas if this happened? Michael Jordan coming out of retirement to play one more time against Bryon Russell in a one-one-one, winner-take-all game -- it would be huge."

During his Hall of Fame speech, Jordan recalled how Russell teased him when the two saw each other in 1994. Russell was a rookie with the Jazz and Jordan had retired to play minor league baseball.

"[A]t this time, I had no thoughts of coming back and playing the game of basketball," Jordan said. "Bryon Russell came over to me and said, 'Why did you quit? You know I could guard you.' When I did come back in 1995 and we played Utah in '96, I'm at the center circle and Bryon Russell is standing next to me. I said, 'You remember the [comments] you made in 1994 about, 'I think I can guard you, I can shut you down, I would love to play against you? Well, you're about to get your chance.' "

In the 1998 NBA Finals, Jordan hit the defining shot of his career over Russell, a championship-clinching jumper that gave him six titles with the Bulls.

"From this day forward," Jordan said in his speech, "if I ever see him in shorts, I'm coming at him."

Russell, however, has his doubts.

"I think he's afraid to play me," Russell said. "I know he has an image, but I don't think this game would hurt it. Who can hurt Mike's image? I don't think I can. I was happy when I called him out of retirement and he came back, and I want to see him do it again. I hope he takes me seriously because I'm taking him seriously. I know I'm not going to lose. I would whup his ***."
 
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-Hysterical. Joe, thank you for making p.com worthwhile again.

-Michael Jordan spent his entire playing career grinning vacuously and getting paid crazy endorsement money to NOT voice his opinion - on anything at all. That tiger should have kept his stripes til the bitter end.
 
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