Would DET Consider Swap of Rip for Boozer? Posted: 12/26/2008 3:42:00 AM Source: Detroit News
The Pistons are far from a finished product, and there's ample reason to question whether they'll ever get back to elite status.
That's what this journey is about. Can the Pistons get back to a level where they can beat the Celtics, Cavaliers, Magic and Hawks?
Admittedly, they're still early in the journey.
So what's the solution?
There are two, and neither is likely to happen.
One is another blockbuster trade involving either Hamilton or Iverson, but president Joe Dumars vehemently said recently he will let things play out.
But let's say the Jazz get antsy about losing Carlos Boozer without compensation, knowing he's going to opt out of his contract this summer.
Wouldn't they consider swapping Boozer for Hamilton?
It's not likely to happen, but it's not out of the realm, either.
The second potential solution might be less drastic but not any less difficult.
Whether or not the Pistons can get back to competing with the Celtics and Cavaliers might rest on the willingness of either Iverson or Hamilton to come off the bench.
Both Iverson and Hamilton have said their only goal is to win a championship.
There's no reason three guards -- Iverson, Hamilton and Stuckey -- can't all get 30-plus minutes a night and maintain their productivity. Teams have successfully deployed three "starting" guards throughout history, including the Bad Boys Pistons of Isiah Thomas, Dumars and Vinnie Johnson.
But if Iverson or Hamilton came off the bench, then Prince and Hamilton could go back to playing their natural positions and Wallace would get some much-needed help in the frontcourt. It also provides a spark to a bench averaging just 13 points the last four games.
Bottom line, the Pistons' small-ball lineup won't cut it in the long run. Playing four of five starters out of position won't cut it. Playing rotation roulette and finishing games with different lineups won't cut it.
The Pistons have the pieces to be a serious contender.
To short sighted in my opinion. I see no point in trading away a valuable asset like Rip for a player you could acquire through free agency.
Plus, this trade could lead to us possibly resigning Iverson to fill the giant void left at shooting guard. I'm completely opposed to any such scenario.
Posts: 1390 | Location: Detroit, MI | Registered: November 05, 2008
Lol. I hope you guys do sign Loozer so he can turn around and bend you over like he did us, and is about to do now to Utah. Why in the world would any team want a guy like that is beyond me...and I don't care what type of numbers he puts up. (he is injured half the time anyways!)
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Originally posted by Fat Computer Nerd: Lol. I hope you guys do sign Loozer so he can turn around and bend you over like he did us, and is about to do now to Utah. Why in the world would any team want a guy like that is beyond me...and I don't care what type of numbers he puts up. (he is injured half the time anyways!)
The Cavs front office tried to lowball Boozer, you can't blame Boozer for leaving. Blame your teams inept management.
Posts: 1390 | Location: Detroit, MI | Registered: November 05, 2008
Is it me or does this sounds like some PR on the pistons part.. I believe Joe is the type to get the ball rolling through someone else versus it being him doing it..
I think he likes boozer and he loves Iverson, this is just fact.. Joe is looking to go forward from what we are adjusted to the past yrs.. Joe told Curry to do things the non convenient way, and shake things up..
This would be another shake on Joe's part.. Its either play it out the way that it is, or trade someone, or wait for iverson or rip to decide to go to the bench... Which neither will suggest that regardless how much they say they want to win..
So i'm thinking Joe would let this deal go through if the Jazz brings it up or it gets some PR burn... I.E Chris McCosky
Bosh or Boozer will be a piston before the yr is over..
Posts: 1613 | Location: Detroit | Registered: April 23, 2003
Originally posted by JROLLA: PG - Stuckey/Ivo SG - Ivo/Stuckey SF- Tay PF- Boozer/Sheed C- Boozer/Sheed/Dice
Yep, I'd do it. But not if it means keeping Iverson long term.
Sounds like you've lost patience with AI.
I think Iverson would take less money to stay here if it didn't break the bank, Joe D might think about it. Because I think Dumars does really like Iverson the player and not just his contract.
it would be the dumbest move he has made since drafting Darko
Posts: 1352 | Location: Clinton Twp. | Registered: December 23, 2006
I say go for it. It makes us a much better team since Boozer would be the only player on the team capable(willing) of scoring in the low post. I'd let him go at the end of the season tho. I'd much prefer Bosh over Boozer.
I don't believe anything's going to happen but hopefully we end up with a low post presence.
Posts: 647 | Location: Deeeetroit! | Registered: October 13, 2006
Originally posted by JROLLA: PG - Stuckey/Ivo SG - Ivo/Stuckey SF- Tay PF- Boozer/Sheed C- Boozer/Sheed/Dice
Yep, I'd do it. But not if it means keeping Iverson long term.
Sounds like you've lost patience with AI.
I think Iverson would take less money to stay here if it didn't break the bank, Joe D might think about it. Because I think Dumars does really like Iverson the player and not just his contract.
it would be the dumbest move he has made since drafting Darko
if he could pay him 10 million a year for 2 years (rips getting 10 for 3 or something) and free up Rip's money while getting Boozer, letting Sheed's contract, or Sheed takes less money, you can still have enough to work with to get a good player after 2010. And I'd think twice before calling any idea I have stupid after reading a couple of your posts. Iverson will be better than Rip at 40, let alone the next couple years.
stfu, why would he bring him back? he's not gonna help us, why the hell would we bring rasheed AND the cancer back? there's no point in bringing him back, we would have a worse season then we are already having. plus he wants to contend for a title, unless we make some big moves that doesn't look to bright for us next year. let him go to some other team so you can leave and join their forum
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Posts: 1352 | Location: Clinton Twp. | Registered: December 23, 2006
Originally posted by JROLLA: PG - Stuckey/Ivo SG - Ivo/Stuckey SF- Tay PF- Boozer/Sheed C- Boozer/Sheed/Dice
Yep, I'd do it. But not if it means keeping Iverson long term.
Sounds like you've lost patience with AI.
I think Iverson would take less money to stay here if it didn't break the bank, Joe D might think about it. Because I think Dumars does really like Iverson the player and not just his contract.
it would be the dumbest move he has made since drafting Darko
Your posts have become one dimensional. Please shut up (and no, this has nothing to do with you blasting AI, you're just becoming stale and stupid).
Anyway, AI would neve take that offer, advocate. Plus, as much as I like the guy, I don't know how long I'd like him here. I don't see him as a rental like many others do, but I don't see him fitting into the future plans here, but who knows?
this is coming from you, wow. i make one post with a minor joke and I'm stale and stupid? all this coming from a guy who tried to lie his way to prove a point, only to get completely owned in which many of us agree on as the post of the year.
Posts: 1352 | Location: Clinton Twp. | Registered: December 23, 2006
Originally posted by babyeater: To short sighted in my opinion. I see no point in trading away a valuable asset like Rip for a player you could acquire through free agency.
Plus, this trade could lead to us possibly resigning Iverson to fill the giant void left at shooting guard. I'm completely opposed to any such scenario.
what if u wanna get rid of rip though aka cap space? then it makes sense, jus let booze walk at the end of the season, he deserves it after what he did to cleveland
Posts: 2513 | Location: Da Stompin Grounds of Shelby Twip! | Registered: January 30, 2003
Originally posted by babyeater: To short sighted in my opinion. I see no point in trading away a valuable asset like Rip for a player you could acquire through free agency.
Plus, this trade could lead to us possibly resigning Iverson to fill the giant void left at shooting guard. I'm completely opposed to any such scenario.
what if u wanna get rid of rip though aka cap space? then it makes sense, jus let booze walk at the end of the season, he deserves it after what he did to cleveland
Let me ask u this if u heard that a company was willing to pay 20 times the amount u were making would u go for it.. Mind u that the company that ur working for is low balling ur next pay raise?
Bosh or Boozer will be a piston before the yr is over..
Posts: 1613 | Location: Detroit | Registered: April 23, 2003
Originally posted by babyeater: To short sighted in my opinion. I see no point in trading away a valuable asset like Rip for a player you could acquire through free agency.
Plus, this trade could lead to us possibly resigning Iverson to fill the giant void left at shooting guard. I'm completely opposed to any such scenario.
what if u wanna get rid of rip though aka cap space? then it makes sense, jus let booze walk at the end of the season, he deserves it after what he did to cleveland
Why would we trade our best guy for a player we have no intention of keeping? The 09 free agent class is weak so there's no point in having to much cap space next year.
Posts: 1390 | Location: Detroit, MI | Registered: November 05, 2008
Boozer has glass legs, no thanks. I wouldn't trade Will Bynum for Boozer and his contract
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
Originally posted by babyeater: To short sighted in my opinion. I see no point in trading away a valuable asset like Rip for a player you could acquire through free agency.
Plus, this trade could lead to us possibly resigning Iverson to fill the giant void left at shooting guard. I'm completely opposed to any such scenario.
what if u wanna get rid of rip though aka cap space? then it makes sense, jus let booze walk at the end of the season, he deserves it after what he did to cleveland
Why would we trade our best guy for a player we have no intention of keeping? The 09 free agent class is weak so there's no point in having to much cap space next year.
im not sayin i agree wit it, but there is someone thta thinks that way an makes sense to them, so what might be wrong to u might be right to someone else depends what the goal is
edit: an i forgot a big point its not all about next year free agency it gives us flexibilty in 2010 big time! especially if we ship maxys price tag down the road.
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Posts: 2513 | Location: Da Stompin Grounds of Shelby Twip! | Registered: January 30, 2003
Originally posted by babyeater: To short sighted in my opinion. I see no point in trading away a valuable asset like Rip for a player you could acquire through free agency.
Plus, this trade could lead to us possibly resigning Iverson to fill the giant void left at shooting guard. I'm completely opposed to any such scenario.
what if u wanna get rid of rip though aka cap space? then it makes sense, jus let booze walk at the end of the season, he deserves it after what he did to cleveland
Why would we trade our best guy for a player we have no intention of keeping? The 09 free agent class is weak so there's no point in having to much cap space next year.
umm...Rip our best guy?? HAHAHAHAHAHA. You have to be kidding right? Not only is he the 4th/5th best player right now on the team, he fits terribly on the team that is constructed right now. Who is Rip hamilton? honestly...he wouldn't be the #1 option on any team in the league right now. if that's the pistons #1 guy, there's no point in worrying about a title this year or the year after. you didn't just say that. I am amazed I just read that. I'd take Stuckey/Sheed/Prince every day of the week and twice on Sunday over Rip. What does he do except catch and shoot? Guy does NOTHING else. Can't create, isn't a good long-range shooter, is an overrated defender and whines for cals like he's a superstar.
Exactly! That girl Nolan on the Shock actually got way more skills than Rip
We need 1 starting guard with 3pt range period.
Posts: 768 | Location: Atlanta,Ga | Registered: June 23, 2008
Originally posted by JROLLA: PG - Stuckey/Ivo SG - Ivo/Stuckey SF- Tay PF- Boozer/Sheed C- Boozer/Sheed/Dice
Yep, I'd do it. But not if it means keeping Iverson long term.
Sounds like you've lost patience with AI.
I think Iverson would take less money to stay here if it didn't break the bank, Joe D might think about it. Because I think Dumars does really like Iverson the player and not just his contract.
it would be the dumbest move he has made since drafting Darko
Your posts have become one dimensional. Please shut up (and no, this has nothing to do with you blasting AI, you're just becoming stale and stupid).
Anyway, AI would neve take that offer, advocate. Plus, as much as I like the guy, I don't know how long I'd like him here. I don't see him as a rental like many others do, but I don't see him fitting into the future plans here, but who knows?
this is coming from you, wow. i make one post with a minor joke and I'm stale and stupid? all this coming from a guy who tried to lie his way to prove a point, only to get completely owned in which many of us agree on as the post of the year.
No, you're stale and stupid because you continue to beat anything AI related into the ground, even if it is a joke. If your posts weren't so one dimensional, I wouldn't say anything. Oh, and you, JROLLA, and Dr. Evil think that post is the POTY... you're probably the three most uninformed and embarassing members on this forum, I won't lose sleep over that.
I love you too Boo.
Posts: 9888 | Location: Garden City | Registered: July 13, 2005
Originally posted by AIadvocate: umm...Rip our best guy?? HAHAHAHAHAHA. You have to be kidding right? Not only is he the 4th/5th best player right now on the team, he fits terribly on the team that is constructed right now. Who is Rip hamilton? honestly...he wouldn't be the #1 option on any team in the league right now. if that's the pistons #1 guy, there's no point in worrying about a title this year or the year after. you didn't just say that. I am amazed I just read that. I'd take Stuckey/Sheed/Prince every day of the week and twice on Sunday over Rip. What does he do except catch and shoot? Guy does NOTHING else. Can't create, isn't a good long-range shooter, is an overrated defender and whines for cals like he's a superstar.
Who is Rip Hamilton? The guy who won a championship as a number one option, something your boy Iverson could only dream about.
Sheed and Stuck better than Rip? That is exactly the type of retarded nonsense I've come to expect from you.
Posts: 1390 | Location: Detroit, MI | Registered: November 05, 2008
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