AI went 4-17 from the field, TRADE EM!

o really??? well i know something bout overachieving an that entails that u give it ur all in anything an everything u do, an when i dont see the stones doin that ill tell it like it is, they wanna be the best again right? so they need to get there heads str8, i done what y'all "real" fans done since i been here, guess what that leads to a lackidasical attitude, or that arrogant persona they earned, we cant say the stones gonna win a ship untill they prove they can stay focused... untill then ill continue to voice when i see something wrong, im sick of them underachieving its time to rack up those ships i said we would when we got sheed, only havin one ring is almost a failure to me, but who am i right, if i were them though id be ****ed that i didnt capitalize an rack em up cuz they most certainly could an should have

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Originally posted by DTP:
AI went 4-17 from the field, TRADE EM!

thats what we dont need, he can drop that volume shooter label if he becomes an efficient scorer now that he has the sidekicks to do it

Problem is noone else was hitting either last night....don't make it seem like he didn't pass yesterday, he had 7 dimes. He just didn't get his shots to fall....gotta live with that. Shooters are going to shoot and that's what the coaches tell them to do.

im not sayin anything bout his passing, i think hes bought into what were tryin to do completley, iverson is one of the least of my worries at this point, were already pretty good wit him, with time we will jus get better, an this is the most passive ive ever seen ivo, an im impressed with how hard hes tryin to make it work

You guys are insane. If you think we can make a run without playing D, you are delusional. Hitting shots has nothing to do with Rasheed standing there, watching Amare hit the jumper uncontested. Has nothing to do with our bigs standing around the paint and watching a guy drive it right through them to the basket.
That being said, I love the Pistons. I want them to win a championship, and the defensive display I've seen thus far has not been promising.

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Originally posted by Dr. Evil:
While I don't think their defense is as bad as some posters are saying; I can say they have a lot of work to do. The pick and role defense has been terrible and last night agains the Suns they gave up way to many points in the paint. That's why they shot 57%. Of course, that's what the Suns do. They have two of the best bigs that score in the paint and they have the best point gaurd at getting the ball in players hands where they are at their best.

The other thing you have to take into account is the fact that the Pistons tempo has picked up since getting Iverson. That means that the other team is getting more shots up per game and getting more opportunity to score. When we had Billups, we played at a slower pace giving the other team less chances to score.

Exactly. To cide with Dunkin, there D plan was horrific.
It starts on offense, were not really burnin any time on our clock, and makin it easier for them to score on thiers.
theres a certain way you run your offense, to counter with another teams defense/offense.
It's like apples and oranges really.
If anyone noticed, The Suns are more effective team defensively with Shaq. I am impressed with thier new playbook, it seems to me that they are really tryin to fight the Spurs curse.
But just becuase they've adjusted to the likes of them, does not mean that they groomed to beat us.
We had a terrible plan, and I bet MC is really upset by that. I think we should've started Amir, and let him split minutes with Kwame both get 24.That plan backfired, and Im sure the Suns expected them to match them up a certain way.
They are being coached by Pistons speciaist, so they are gonna know every play besides the new ones set in for AI, maybe we should've ran more for him. He wasn't himself, did'nt really take the shots he's used to getting.
If we wanna win, we gotta take it to the paint.

Boston's plan is to clog the paint, but us penetrating in it will only offset what they are build to defend on.
The suns only defense was missed shots.
No excuse for this loss.
We could've drove every other possession, but why we did'nt IDK.
Sheed ain't been on the block, Shaq was, so how do we expect to win?

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Originally posted by Black Thought:
Alright I'm sick of this.


All of the fags that are going to complain after one loss (1 of 4 on a western road trip) need to get out the eff out of here.

It'll be a long season, and us fans who have consistently rooted for this team shouldn't have to look at this crap every time we lose.

for the love of god.. SHUT THE **** UP.

I could care less if I even get banned anymore.

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There are a lot of immature posters on here who seem to think the Pistons need to win every game and be all world every game. I like to see what these same posters do in their own life that makes them such overachievers...doubt any of them are.

If you can't handle a loss then find another hobby. Life is about winning AND losing but some people live in nirvana I guess.

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Its not that they dont play D, thats a completely Stupid and hysterical argument after a bad loss. But I could definately point out the hard time big line ups can create for them. They are 1-2 against elite big Frontcourts, They got crushed on the two loses, KG-Perkins and Shaq-Stoudamire had a field day with us, but hey, Gasol-Bynum got their fair whopping.

But they are 7-3 people! You cant ignore the HUGE change that is not having Chauncey that was the team captain for so many years and as if that weren't complicated enough, Joe brings in a guy that is the opposite of Chauncey. They are undergoing a chemistry experiment on the starting line up and the bench, dont forget Dice was a key part of the bench. Have some patience, dont be such drama queens. Im confident that it is all a matter of time and practice, and if Dice is back in a couple of weeks, the ride to the playoffs cant get anything but smoother.

What gets me is, I see a game like their win over the Lakers, and am stunned when their D collapses in a game, like the one vs. the Suns.

I know they are not going to win every game...they are afterall human beings. Iverson had an ice-cold night against phoenix, some of us were in foul trouble early, which effected us down the stretch (Kwame Brown was off to a great start).

I think they were also trying to avoid calls, which made them look pitiful defensively. What ever happened to rebounding? That angered me. The weakness I saw too, was the lack of big bodies to throw at Shaq.

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Originally posted by swift_carlos:
Its not that they dont play D, thats a completely Stupid and hysterical argument after a bad loss. But I could definately point out the hard time big line ups can create for them. They are 1-2 against elite big Frontcourts, They got crushed on the two loses, KG-Perkins and Shaq-Stoudamire had a field day with us, but hey, Gasol-Bynum got their fair whopping.

But they are 7-3 people! You cant ignore the HUGE change that is not having Chauncey that was the team captain for so many years and as if that weren't complicated enough, Joe brings in a guy that is the opposite of Chauncey. They are undergoing a chemistry experiment on the starting line up and the bench, dont forget Dice was a key part of the bench. Have some patience, dont be such drama queens. Im confident that it is all a matter of time and practice, and if Dice is back in a couple of weeks, the ride to the playoffs cant get anything but smoother.

Got you. I feel exactly the same. Could'nt said it better.
We ain't really been getting Killed by the more dominant post players. Sorry but Bynum and Gasol are not exactly dowminating to me.
If Dice was here we would have had a better chance against KG perkins, and Shag stoudemire.
Plus we are getting used to the new playbook, new coach, new Point Guard, and most important of all New identity.

So with that said we should like our chances later on.
If they can't see it, it will kick ya in the @$$ in the future
AMEN!
I personally enjoy watchin us play wether win or lose, cuz hey! You know as much as I do where we will be at the end of season.
We should be taking this as a treat. How long have we been watchin BORING BASKETBALL?
Finally we have a superstar that fires us up during games.
People don't see it yet, cuz we are not fully intact.
But by the All Star break, we are all gonna have AI Pistons Fever.

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Originally posted by swift_carlos:
Its not that they dont play D, thats a completely Stupid and hysterical argument after a bad loss. But I could definately point out the hard time big line ups can create for them. They are 1-2 against elite big Frontcourts, They got crushed on the two loses, KG-Perkins and Shaq-Stoudamire had a field day with us, but hey, Gasol-Bynum got their fair whopping.

But they are 7-3 people! You cant ignore the HUGE change that is not having Chauncey that was the team captain for so many years and as if that weren't complicated enough, Joe brings in a guy that is the opposite of Chauncey. They are undergoing a chemistry experiment on the starting line up and the bench, dont forget Dice was a key part of the bench. Have some patience, dont be such drama queens. Im confident that it is all a matter of time and practice, and if Dice is back in a couple of weeks, the ride to the playoffs cant get anything but smoother.

we won 64 games a few back where did that get us?

Well, during the Pistons peak in '04-'05, they would go on scoring droughts, but their stifling defense kept them in games and they'd still win.



Now, I would say the offense is better, but the defense is not. All three losses this year were because of the paint. Until they can get Dice back to help a little with the rebounding and eliminating second chance points, they're gonna have to force turnovers to complement the fast break offense.

Let's see what happens against the Cavs and Celtics this week.

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Originally posted by Yugo Thug:

we won 64 games a few back where did that get us?

Easy dude, it got us to a blockbuster deal that sent our point guard-captain for almost a decade AND our perennial sixth man to Denver in exchange for a Allen Iverson. Now here we are, hearing the same folks that were tired of the old core b.i.t.c.h.i.n.g about the new one. So Joe stands with the same core, people cry then Joe changes the core and people die of frustration saying they dont play defense.

actually the 64 wins got us ben leaving if u wanna put it that way, an people are bitshin bout defense cuz its true, u cant always think the pistons cant do no wrong, or else we'd win every year, an thats clearly not the case

Actually Ben left on his own, Joe was offering him if Im not mistaken 54M for 4 years, So dont get confused buddy. Even if you wanna use the arguement that Ben left because he felt that Flip's defensive style was not like the style they used to become champs, the fact is that they remained top 3 defensively that season. They just kept getting burn by superstars in playoff series.

Those ECF defeats by stars = Chaucey and Dice out AI in. Which ACTUALLY were part of a move orchestrated by Dumars himself, a completely different scenario from ben's.

I dont think the Pistons are flawless, they are far from it, I even consider them third best beheind Boston and Cleveland as of now. But Im hoping that the AI move can counter the star effect of every ECF. But saying they cant play D, thats stupid. Adjusting as team yes, Incompetent and bad team after 6 games with AI, hell no. Its way too early to say anything anyway....

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Originally posted by dunkinmaxiell:
Here we go 1 loss and we suck. My god im almost emberessed to be a piston fan when it comes to some of you fans. Seriousley we cant win 82 games. Do you guys realize how good of a west coast trip that was 3 out of 4 ill take that anyday. But 1 game we play bad and we cant do this and we cant do that. pathetic just pathetic

u said it. alot of these people just hop in the bandwagon and don't even THINK before they post.

Holy #*&%. What I've learned from reading this thread.

1. Piston fans are NOT allowed to complain after a loss.

2. You have no right to post an opinon, unless your a coach.

The topic of the thread is the Pistons don't play D. I happen to agree. Maybe I should have waited until we won to post this, because I am breaking rule #1. Anyway we are getting killed with the pick n roll and dribble penetration. For us to win a title, things need to improve, I'll leave it at that.

For those who believe I need to be a coach to post my opinion, please disregard everything I wrote.

Let's give the new coaches, and the team a pass right now as they try to find out what works on both ends of the court it's just to early to tell what this team will become in November.Hopefully we can get dyess back and the other guys such as Kwame,Amir and Max can figure out will shut down the paint when the guards get beat off the dribble that's one of there weakest area to me help side D

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Originally posted by swift_carlos:
Actually Ben left on his own, Joe was offering him if Im not mistaken 54M for 4 years, So dont get confused buddy. Even if you wanna use the arguement that Ben left because he felt that Flip's defensive style was not like the style they used to become champs, the fact is that they remained top 3 defensively that season. They just kept getting burn by superstars in playoff series.

Those ECF defeats by stars = Chaucey and Dice out AI in. Which ACTUALLY were part of a move orchestrated by Dumars himself, a completely different scenario from ben's.

I dont think the Pistons are flawless, they are far from it, I even consider them third best beheind Boston and Cleveland as of now. But Im hoping that the AI move can counter the star effect of every ECF. But saying they cant play D, thats stupid. Adjusting as team yes, Incompetent and bad team after 6 games with AI, hell no. Its way too early to say anything anyway....

thats not what i was elluding too, i was pointing out how people can see how good our record was when we wond a ship wit 54 wins but when we set a franchise record with 64 wins we didnt even get to the finals, an then i didnt wanna be a dik but ur makin me, i said the ben thing cuz he made a completley irrelevent argument bout that so i told him what happened after the 64 win season since obviously no one else cared to mention it, cuz it appears he thinks we won 64 games las season considerin it took us a few years after that fact "to get us iverson"