This team is a perfect trade partner for us. They have three good sized expiring contracts and a hole at SG.

Mark Blount 8 mil
Brian Cardinal 6.7 mil
Andonio Daniels 6.6 mil

My guess is they know a markey free agent will not sign with them. They should be looking to moves these expiring contracts to add winners and fill holes.

It makes a lot of sense for Joe to look at our glut of 2 guards (Rip, Ben, Stuckey) and try to swing a deal with Minni.

Rip and Maxiel for Mark Blount and Antonio Daniels is a terrible trade based on talent for us, but we need to whittle the roster down and get an 8-9 man rotation, not a 10-11 man rotation. There is no way our young players will develop without defined roles. This trade is close economically, Minni would need to send about 2.5 mil more out way.

We would be down to this rotation...

Stuckey - Bynum
Gordon - Bynum
Prince- Daye
Villenueva - Wilcox
Brown - Wallace

Undersized guards, but in my opinion that is a better solution than the three guard rotation we run now. Here we get to keep length at the 3 rather than sacrificing it to play Rip/Stuckey there. Plus we could still move Tay down the line.

We'd gain roughly 15 mil in cap room and Minni would land the players they need that would otherwise not sign with them. That would bring our cap space next season within reach of a very good free agent.

The Wolves would have...

Flynn - Sessions - (Rubio in 2 years)
Rip - Sessions
Gomes - Brewer
Jefferson - Maxiell
Love - Hollins

Not a bad squad. They would have an offensive identity running the curl on either side with Rip being screened for by Jefferson or Love. I think it's a Win-Win for both teams.

Thoughts?

wow I haven't been on the boards for a while and the trades have gone this bad??

I think the last thing we need is ditching talent for cap space. Blount and Daniels are bench fodder on championship teams, and even if we need to whittle down the roster, no way I will give up Rip and Max for inferior talent.

However, if this trade includes a first round pick going our way, then we can start talking...

no way we make a trade with the Wolves that didn't include Love or Jefferson. Love & Jefferson wont be traded anytime soon. Like they would trade them is the first place.

The OP is just saying to make this trade to get cap space once again. This trade won't happen unless the Pistons are failing going into the trade deadline and the Wolves are pushing for a playoff spot.

The Pistons made a lopsided talent trade last year to get cap space.

You really want to go through that again, to get somebody else? You are stupid.

Your also the first to ever complain about a basketball team beint TOO DEEP.

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We'd gain roughly 15 mil in cap room and Minni would land the players they need that would otherwise not sign with them. That would bring our cap space next season within reach of a very good free agent.

Wrong. We would be about 8 mil under the cap when the cap is dropped significantly. That is about 1 mil more than CV's contract. Not getting a 2010 premier FA for that. Trades for cap space are a bad idea at this point.

we would be absolutely screwed if amare doesn't opt out (bosh and boozer have no place here). and even more screwed if the cap drops to $50 mil.

If the cap doesn't go all the way down to 50 mil, it will be close to that which is why I don't want to see a trade for cap space. I have always wanted Amare, but I think we would have to trade to get him, not sign him as a FA.

First, this wouldn't just be a trade for cap space. It also would solve severe rotation issues and personnel redundancies. We have 3 starter caliber SGs and no true PG. We have almost a third of our payroll tied up in two players that play the same position. Our two best young players are also perimeter scorers, not distributers.

Even with the salary cap POSSIBLY dropping to low for us to get the room for a markey guy, we would still have 8 + mil in cap space to negotiate with. If we can then move Tay we would be 18 mil under the cap which would be in range for any free agents. Or if we keep Tay this trade would put us in better shape after his contract ends in 2011 to nad what ever top tier free agent is available then.

If Max and Rip stay on the books it's 15 mil more for the next 4 years when neither player is a necessity at this point. Very few teams would take them in any trade. Minni is one of the few that would. Right now Rip and Max have low trade value after coming off bad years. It's going to get lower in this 10 man rotation when neither will get the minutes, or have defined enough role, to put up the stats to increase their trade value. Meaning we will be stuck with a roster full of redundant players, over a long period of time, with declining value and production... That was the New York Knicks this last decade...

Moreover, the point of the trade is the same logic behind dealing Billups. We simply are not going to be a contender with a roster like this. We need to move a SG and Rip is the oldest with the worse contract. Max has the second worse contract and is at the bottom of the pecking order of our bigs.

Free up this 15 mil, see what the cap does, and then decide the fate of Tay. Meanwhile you get playing time for Daye, Summers, Gordon, Stuckey, and Bynum. Bynum by the way will need a new contract next season when we can't pay him with our current contracts. If we don't make a move Bynum walks to a larger offer (which he will get) or we are forced to use part of of MLE on another player that is a scoring perimeter guy playing behind Rip.

Face it. We just aren't going to get value for Rip or Tay. We are going to have to give them away. That's not as bad as it sounds because we have younger eager replacements. Look what Denver did with Camby. They gave him away to LAC for a second rounder because of the economy and NENE. Next thing you know they swing a deal for Billups and POOF! Nene steps up and they get to the Western Conference finals.

It may not be that easy, but the writing is on the wall in terms of our rotation glut. We should bite the bullet and swing now so the guys left on the roster can gel in a tighter 8 man rotation. After that we'll know what pieces we need to add with our cap space from Rip, Max, and one way or another Tay (that's roughly 27 million total cap space -- feel free to subtract a possible 8 mil lower in cap space if you'd like -- to 19 mil).