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So what I have heard often this preseason is how deep we are. This is coming off a season when we were mediocre and are in the process of a roster overhaul. So in context of those factors, it makes no sense that any reasonable person could possibly rationalize that we have sooo much depth that distribution of minutes is going to be a challenge.

It is early so we will see what Kuester does after we see these guys in real action but it seems to me that when a 500 team is saying they have a lot of depth, it is just another way of saying they have a lot of players who are equally decent?

I agree.

When we were champions - there was no question about the rotation.

We had a SOLID 8 man rotation before Sheed... then it became a sort of 9 man rotation:

Chance/Rip/Prince/Wallace/Wallace
Memo/Corliss/Mike James/Lindsay Hunter (spot minutes from Elden)

There were 4-5 guys in the wings with potential, but they sure as heck weren't going to crack any minutes during meaningful games.

I want to see 5 STARTERS, I want to see 5 guys that are coming off the bench with some hustle, and I don't want to see erratic line-ups and line changes. That would be a great way to start things off.

Maxiell (I love him) might just need to sit out this year.
Ben, Wilcox, CV, Jerebko, and Kwame are all outplaying him right now.

Just because we have a lack of or undeveloped talent, dosn;t mean that coach will know who to play. We are kind of stuck with situational big men who are approximatley equal in talent. As for our guards, Will Bynum is making minutes not very clear due to his good play.

We need to settle on a lineup quickly to build chemistry. We should only change to lineup after every 10 game period. To start, I would avoid using the Rookies and give Maxiel a chance. It sends a bad message to the veteran players if one is axed early on without much of a chance. Someone enevatably will not play well and a rookie can take there place in the lineup. But for now its just a bad message to yank Maxiels minutes

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I would avoid using the Rookies and give Maxiel a chance. It sends a bad message to the veteran players if one is axed early on without much of a chance. Someone enevatably will not play well and a rookie can take there place in the lineup. But for now its just a bad message to yank Maxiels minutes

Maxiell has had his chance to prove what he could do, he's in his 4th year now. He said he would fill McDyess's shoes and has done absolutely nothing to back it up. If Maxy pad was playing well, he would not have to worry about minutes. As for bad messages: What message would outplaying Max and then sitting on the bench while Max does nothing to validate his playing time send?

This team is deep because of the off season moves Dumars made:
CV
BG
CW
AD
DS

The Pistons who finished last season only have 6 returning players. The other 9 of 15 are new, and younger. The backcourt is very good and the front court is better offensively (but not defensively). This is a better team than last season.

I hope your right.
The idea of starting Big Ben over Charlie V. makes no sense. Did we just spend almost 100 million dollars on two free agents who will both be coming off the bench!!!!! Look, if Rasheed or Big Ben back in the day were dinged up in the pre-season both would be re-inserted into the starting line-up as soon as they were healthy. Charlie V. is not a rookie, he is a veteran now who has proved he can perform. It is hypocritical to ask him to come off the bench and not give him the spot he expected when he signed. Is Tayshaum gonna come off the bench now, because he has missed time? No. And he has been average, at best. so far. All I am saying is be consistant.

If coach Q starts Wallace, it's to get everyone to play defensively. Villanueva would be substituted for Wallace within a few minutes in order to open up the half court offense. Villanueva will get starter like minutes, and will be on the floor at the end, when Wallace's foul shooting is a liability.

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Originally posted by drewlius:
I agree.

When we were champions - there was no question about the rotation.

We had a SOLID 8 man rotation before Sheed... then it became a sort of 9 man rotation:

Chance/Rip/Prince/Wallace/Wallace
Memo/Corliss/Mike James/Lindsay Hunter (spot minutes from Elden)

There were 4-5 guys in the wings with potential, but they sure as heck weren't going to crack any minutes during meaningful games.

I want to see 5 STARTERS, I want to see 5 guys that are coming off the bench with some hustle, and I don't want to see erratic line-ups and line changes. That would be a great way to start things off.

Maxiell (I love him) might just need to sit out this year.
Ben, Wilcox, CV, Jerebko, and Kwame are all outplaying him right now.

Actually when Larry B first got here he didnt' have a set rotation.. He didnt know what to do with sura, big nasty, elden or okur.. the only ones that was set in stone.. was ben, tay (cuz joe traded curry) bills and rip.. other than that if cliff was here he would have started him over elden and okur...

remember we started that season not that good I think we were 21 - 14... LB kept exchanging elden and okur in the starting lineup sorta like Kuester will do with ben and CV... Until we get a Sheed type of deal...

Bosh or Boozer will be a piston before the yr is over..

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Bosh or Boozer will be a piston before the yr is over..

Bosh or Boozer? I doubt it. We don't need another PF. We have Charlie V who can give us 20 & 10 in 30 minutes. If anything, we may need a PG if the Stuckey experiment fails, or possibly an upgrade over Kwame at C.

Bosh and Boozer will both be free agents after
this season, would not resign with Detroit, and are only slight upgrades from Villanueva.

We are only deep in the shooting guard position. :P

We are in deep **** if this team can't play team ball.

There is no harm in not playing a rookie big minutes if he is outplaying a player like Maxiel. All average rookies know that the introduction to the NBA means that they are initially bench warmers. So I am not worried about the message that it sends them. I am only worried about sending the same message to a veteran player like Wilcox or Maxiel.

I agree that Maxiel has not shown much but you must remember that our coach wasn't there last year and has to avoid losing players respect. It is deffinatley worth giving Maxiel a chance the first 10 games of the season. I do think he won't make the most out of it, and if this happens we can play someone else. One problem with Curry is that he fell in and out of love with players too much. Coach Q should go for a more solid rotation and not change it for the sake of change as Curry did.

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Originally posted by Detroit Pistons Fan:

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I would avoid using the Rookies and give Maxiel a chance. It sends a bad message to the veteran players if one is axed early on without much of a chance. Someone enevatably will not play well and a rookie can take there place in the lineup. But for now its just a bad message to yank Maxiels minutes

Maxiell has had his chance to prove what he could do, he's in his 4th year now. He said he would fill McDyess's shoes and has done absolutely nothing to back it up. If Maxy pad was playing well, he would not have to worry about minutes. As for bad messages: What message would outplaying Max and then sitting on the bench while Max does nothing to validate his playing time send?

Maxiell is a piece of sh!t

he's behind Villanueva, Wilcox, Wallace, Brown and should be behind Jerebko on the depth chart for the big guys. Today he played out of position just to find his way to the court in a preseason game. that five million/year is going to sit on the bench and very rarely play unfortunately.

Jerebko is like 4 inches taller, equally athletic and has waaaay more polished offensive game. Jerebko has 3 point range; has very good ball-handling n court vision which Maxiell doesn't have.

Max should be traded ASAP

We are deep enough that Maxy Pad could be traded and not be missed at all.

Deep doesn't = a good team.

Wouldn't call this team deep really. Our best big man, Charlie Villanueva, would be the 2nd best big on alot of teams. Wilcox is a solid 3rd big. Ben and Kwame are solid 4th big men. Same with Maxiell really. Definitely one of the weaker frontlines in the League.

The Guard rotation is pretty good. But none of them are great players. Ben Gordon and Rip Hamilton are borderline All-Stars, Stuckey is a solid starter and Bynum is a good change of pace sub. Good, but not great Guard group.

Daye isn't ready to be a consistant contributor, so the Small Forward spot is just solid. Tayshaun is a good starter, not much more.

Atkins and Jerebko are scrubs that wouldn't make most teams final roster. It's a team full of mostly average players, most of which struggle defensively and not one real game changer on the team besides the occasional explosion from Gordon.

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