Please stop asking for these guys!

Boozer will not be a Piston. Period. Utah wants to save MONEY, thats the one and only reason they want to trade him. Trading Hamilton or Prince doesnt save that a dime!

And people who say, 'oh boozer and bosh are going to hit the free agent market, they want a new team'

They are both looking for contract extensions. The only time Amare was ever unhappy in Phoenix was with Shaq. Remember Amare saying he wanted to be the main guy? Right now he is. And he'll resign and be the face of the Suns for a long time.

These guys arent going to be Pistons. Please stop asking for 'hamlilton for boozer' because that trade is impossible because Utah doesnt save money. Bosh and Amare want to resign. They arent going anywhere and we arent getting a superstar.

If this offseason told anything, it was that Dumars is going to build another championship team around a group of 6-7 real good players, no superstars here. There isnt the same D in Detroit anymore, but we are still the Pistons therefore this organization is still all about hard work and team basketball. We are going to build a team around guys who have been overlooked and past up on. Its a team game. Sound like 2004 to you? We arent getting a superstar.

Thats why Joe Dumars is a basketball mastermind, he knows what works. Thats why he built a DEEP team this summer and not a team around one guy like others would have. Hes doing the same thing he did in 2003, which worked out pretty **** well.

i want stoudemire

It is not a good idea to try to build a team around 6-7 good players. The NBA is a superstar league. There is a reason only 2 teams have ever won it with a bunch of good, but not great players.

I agree with what you said about Boozer and Amare, but Bosh is not even close to a lock to re-sign. In fact, most people believe he wants out.

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I heard Bosh wants to play in Dallas.

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I want Bosh. Noo Booze, no Amare, plz...

Why would Bosh want to play for Detroit? And, what would we do with Villanueva? What we need is someone to play PG.

I'd take Stoudemire if the Pistons could get him but I don't want them to get him that badly. The only player I would have really liked to have seen come to Detroit of those three is Bosh, but I agree that Villanueva makes getting Bosh kinda nonsensical. Not that Charlie couldn't come off the bench or Bosh play a little bit at center, but I don't think that would be ideal and I'm hoping and I think Dumars is hoping Charlie improves to the point of being a very good starting PF in the league.

I think if anything, the Pistons would try to target a legitimate center with center skills next off season to provide things similar to what a younger Ben Wallace did, obviously not as well, but at a cheaper price tag than the bigger named free agents next season. Someone like Brendan Haywood is set to be a free agent. If Tyson Chandler opts out of his last year to get another multi-year deal, he might be a player to look at. I'm think somewhere along the lines of $8-10 million per year at the most.

PG is still a concern, but at least the Pistons have options there, whether they are great or not. Unless Kwame Brown suddenly puts out a consistent 10/10 type year, I think the Pistons should and will look to solidify the center position.

Bosh was a nice pipe dream last year. I don't think Joe is looking to find a superstar or even all star caliber PF anymore. He most likely will be searching for a guy to hold down the paint, especially defensively.

amare is a whiny basketball diva. the price for bosh would be to steep. i'd take my chance on boozer. hes by far the best rebounder of the group and scores just as well as bosh and amare. and youre wrong utah isnt looking to deal boozer for just finical resons. if thats the case they would have dumped him already for miamis junk or gave him to memphis. they want fair value for him. and boozer is not looking for a contract extension, seriously go reed a news paper or something and get yourself informed.

Although I agree that solidifying the center position is what the Pistons need most. I dont think Carlos Boozer can play center effectively. Yeah he is a 20 and 10 guy but he's out matched at C. BTW Utah Jazz offered Detroit Boozer for Tay. I'm glad we said No because that would've made Charlie Vilaneuva's signing pointless. We need a center who has a jump shot and is a monster on the boards. Amare Stoudamire fits that criteria perfectly. No one can contain Amare he is a beast on the boards and has a decent jump shot. Bring Amare to Detroit and we will be back in the Finals. Bottom line.

Next year, the Pistons will only have the MLE to spend, and if they want to retain Wilcox, part of it has to go to him. He signed a one year contract. That doesn't give the Pistons his Bird right. It doesn't matter that Amare, Bosh and Boozer may be free agents, the Pistons can only offer the MLE.

Depending on where the salary cap is for next year, as of right now, the Pistons could possibly have up to $7 million in cap space, which is more than the MLE, as long as Wilcox doesn't pick up his player option.

Now, most people in this thread didn't really say the Pistons would have enough cap space for those guys. I think anyone talking about them either are 1) lamenting about spending that cap space on Gordon/Villanueva this past off season instead of trying to get one of those or 2) if they are talking about getting one of the guys are predicating that on the assumption that the Pistons would somehow clear cap space by trading guys like Rip or Prince and/or Maxiell.

No team, except Memphis, has cap space, so a trade would have to bring back almost as much as is sent out. The only way to free enough cap space is to make trades for expiring contracts. But, even if we did free up enough space, why would any of the three want to sign with the Pistons. They're not contenders, not a major market or have a warm climate.

And, even if the didn't re-sign, Kwame, Wilcox, Wallace and Bynum, they still wouldn't have more than the MLE available. Too many players have increases built into there contracts. Without those four, payroll would still be $52,265, The 2009/10 is $57,700, and it's expected to be lower next year.

I'm up too late and bored. I think any one of these trades could help us.

Prince & Summers to the Clippers for Camby & Thornton.

Trade Max, Brown & Wilcox to the Jazz for Boozer & Kosta Koufos

Trade Prince & Summers to the Blazers for Outlaw, Przyilla & 1st round pick.

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Originally posted by dbuch238:
No team, except Memphis, has cap space, so a trade would have to bring back almost as much as is sent out. The only way to free enough cap space is to make trades for expiring contracts. But, even if we did free up enough space, why would any of the three want to sign with the Pistons. They're not contenders, not a major market or have a warm climate.

I didn't point out the likelihood or feasibility of actually making a deal to dump contracts for expiring contracts, only that any idea of going after players like Bosh, Amare, or Boozer would be predicated on the Pistons doing so.

I also didn't analyze or comment on how appealing it would be for any to those three of signing with Detroit.

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And, even if the didn't re-sign, Kwame, Wilcox, Wallace and Bynum, they still wouldn't have more than the MLE available. Too many players have increases built into there contracts. Without those four, payroll would still be $52,265, The 2009/10 is $57,700, and it's expected to be lower next year.

There's a reason why I specifically stated "depending on where the salary cap is for next year." It's "expected" or "projected" to go down. No one knows that for sure. Check what current economists say now and the United States is already out of the recession. I don't know what the cap will be for 2010-11. None of us do. But, should the economy turn around enough to positively affect the NBA, an increase in cap in the past has been up to a couple million from one season to the next. That's why, "DEPENDING" on where the salary cap ends up for 2010-11, the Pistons "COULD POSSIBLY" have up to $7 million in cap space.

I want a front line of Boozer, Bosh, and Stoudemire.