Originally posted by Langton: He's average. He's a complimentary player, we can't afford a guy like that at the present.
He's below average and sucks even as a complimentary player, and I agree we can't afford a guy like that. He played almost 13 minutes and did nothing in it except foul 4 times. No defensive rebounds, and that sucks for a front court player. I really hope he plays well enough for teams to forget that he sucks, then he can be gone in a trade. I hope he is part of a trade at the deadline (or sooner would be better). I really don't know why he ever got a contract extension, he does nothing on the court except an occasional awesome dunk.
For those freaking out because he only got 2 rebounds in a whopping 13 minutes, in two games he's averaging far more rebounds per 48 minutes than Kwame (8.4) or CV (5.8) vs. Maxiel (12.0).
Since we're only dealing with a two game sample, those numbers don't really mean anything, just like 2 rebounds in 13 minutes doesn't really mean anything either.
Originally posted by Langton: He's average. He's a complimentary player, we can't afford a guy like that at the present.
He's below average and sucks even as a complimentary player, and I agree we can't afford a guy like that. He played almost 13 minutes and did nothing in it except foul 4 times. No defensive rebounds, and that sucks for a front court player. I really hope he plays well enough for teams to forget that he sucks, then he can be gone in a trade. I hope he is part of a trade at the deadline (or sooner would be better). I really don't know why he ever got a contract extension, he does nothing on the court except an occasional awesome dunk.
teams wont forget he sucks if we keep blasting him. also i dont think he sucks
Posts: 1738 | Location: Wayne Manor | Registered: April 14, 2009
He's terrible in many pre season games. Dont look too convincing so far
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He doesn't even worth a 2nd round pick at the moment
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it must be disheartening when every offseason big guy the pistons picked up moved ahead of him on the depth chart. It was just him and Kwame at the end of last season (with Sheed and Dice leaving). Then, we draft three rookies capable of playing the 3/4. Then, we sign CV, Wilcox and Wallace. And every player we picked up is playing better or on par with him. Its hard to argue if he should even be getting minutes at this point.
Posts: 1138 | Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Registered: February 23, 2005
Jason Maxiell still has value. He just isn't a good fit on this team anymore. With guys like Kwame Brown, and Ben Wallace, we need more bigs that can score. Maxiell is more of a guy that will come in and give you energy on the defensive end, and charge up the crowd with a nice jam, or a big-time block.
We need a guy similar to Mcdyess, who can hit the mid-range jump-shot effectively. Villanuva can't be only big-man that can produce offense, simple as that. I've always liked Jason Maxiell, but I just don't see him giving us what this team needs. That is the only reason I'm for trading him.
As others have stated Maxiel's Contract is not desirable for any team.
I think he desrves the first 10 games of the season to show the new coach what he can do before we choose to replace him with Jerebko. The last thing a new coach wants to do is create a lockerroom where veteran players feel slighted.
Posts: 496 | Location: State College PA | Registered: October 31, 2005
Originally posted by detfan08: Jason Maxiell still has value. He just isn't a good fit on this team anymore. With guys like Kwame Brown, and Ben Wallace, we need more bigs that can score. Maxiell is more of a guy that will come in and give you energy on the defensive end, and charge up the crowd with a nice jam, or a big-time block.
We need a guy similar to Mcdyess, who can hit the mid-range jump-shot effectively . Villanuva can't be only big-man that can produce offense, simple as that. I've always liked Jason Maxiell, but I just don't see him giving us what this team needs. That is the only reason I'm for trading him.
My question is, how do we know he can't do that? The last stats I saw on his 12-16 foot range was the 2007-2008 season and I believe it was above 50%. I think last season he was shakier, but so was everybody. This year I've only seen the first game, in which I think he only took two FG attempts, and from what I read, in the preseason his FG% was very high and his jumper was looking improved. Yet I only saw 1.5 preseason games and he rarely played when I was watching. I'd like to actually see him given a consistent chance like 2 years ago, because if he can avg. 8 ppg and 5 rpg and play tough defense again, he'll earn his contract and everybody can stop crying about him after every less than stellar game.
It's pretty funny, I didn't hear everybody crying about him when he got 6 boards in just 19 minutes, when CV only got 1 in 17 and Kwame got 4 in 25.
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Originally posted by detfan08: Jason Maxiell still has value. He just isn't a good fit on this team anymore. With guys like Kwame Brown, and Ben Wallace, we need more bigs that can score. Maxiell is more of a guy that will come in and give you energy on the defensive end, and charge up the crowd with a nice jam, or a big-time block.
We need a guy similar to Mcdyess, who can hit the mid-range jump-shot effectively . Villanuva can't be only big-man that can produce offense, simple as that. I've always liked Jason Maxiell, but I just don't see him giving us what this team needs. That is the only reason I'm for trading him.
My question is, how do we know he can't do that? The last stats I saw on his 12-16 foot range was the 2007-2008 season and I believe it was above 50%. I think last season he was shakier, but so was everybody. This year I've only seen the first game, in which I think he only took two FG attempts, and from what I read, in the preseason his FG% was very high and his jumper was looking improved. Yet I only saw 1.5 preseason games and he rarely played when I was watching. I'd like to actually see him given a consistent chance like 2 years ago, because if he can avg. 8 ppg and 5 rpg and play tough defense again, he'll earn his contract and everybody can stop crying about him after every less than stellar game.
It's pretty funny, I didn't hear everybody crying about him when he got 6 boards in just 19 minutes, when CV only got 1 in 17 and Kwame got 4 in 25.
I would love to see him more involved on the offensive end. He also has a nice little move in the low-post, that we rarely see. If he can do it effectively, than I hope we start utilizing him.
He also played pretty good defense last night for a team that is lacking defenders.
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Originally posted by Respect My Conglomerate: Darko is a much, much, much better player than people are willing to give him credit for. I think, right now, he might be better or as good as Wilcox.
Posts: 2784 | Location: DET | NYC | Registered: March 28, 2007
Max played 20:33 against the 76'ers and again failed to get a single defensive rebound. He only got 2 offensive rebounds, and a block. Why is it that the guards out-rebound Maxy when he is playing PF? Why is Maxy the only player with 0 defensive rebounds? Why is Max at the bottom of the team for total rebounds? He is obviously not playing with enough effort. He is wasting minutes that could go to Summers or Wilcox, and if they play 20:33 at PF they should at least be able to grab a defensive rebound which would be more then Max can say. I really hope he is part of a trade, but if he keeps playing the way he has it will be hard to get rid of him, like it was for a while with Nazr Mohammed.
I'm completely content with the situation as is. He's coming off the bench playing a few sparse minutes as a high energy defender and that's all he needs to do. He doesn't need to be a Ben Wallace and grab 15 boards a game. His impact is in playing with tenacity and energy to spark our offense/defense coming off the bench. Plus, if he left I would miss his occasional flashy dunks. At this point, the ONLY Piston (yes only) I would trade would be Tay-Tay. I'm really loving the Jerebko/Daye tandem.
Posts: 55 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: October 14, 2009
Originally posted by Dr. Huxtable: He's our only big guy who can shoot in the midrange. CV is supposed to be able to do that but hasn't really proven that in a Pistons uniform.
I think the overall consensus is that CV31 is getting into his groove and will begin to show his offensive prowess we all know he possesses. This is the second game in a row where he finally played great offensively. Sort of like Ron Artest with the Lakers, he started off sluggish but is getting more comfortable and is finally playing as good as advertised. As much as I love J-Max, and I really do love having him here, CV31 is roughly four trillion times more efficient on the offensive end than he is.
Posts: 55 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: October 14, 2009
Originally posted by Detroit Pistons Fan: Max played 20:33 against the 76'ers and again failed to get a single defensive rebound. He only got 2 offensive rebounds, and a block. Why is it that the guards out-rebound Maxy when he is playing PF? Why is Maxy the only player with 0 defensive rebounds? Why is Max at the bottom of the team for total rebounds? He is obviously not playing with enough effort. He is wasting minutes that could go to Summers or Wilcox, and if they play 20:33 at PF they should at least be able to grab a defensive rebound which would be more then Max can say. I really hope he is part of a trade, but if he keeps playing the way he has it will be hard to get rid of him, like it was for a while with Nazr Mohammed.
So Maxiel got 2 rebounds in 20 minutes. I didn't see you say anything when Villenuava got 1 rebound in 17 minutes against the Grizzlies, when Ben Wallace got 1 in 17 minutes against the Magic, Daye got 0 rebounds in 15 minutes or Wilcox got 1 rebound 16 minutes against the Magic.
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