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Ignored post by Big Shel posted

Lain30

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How about just relax it was just the first preseason game, and I'm not even going to say again how horrible our chemistry was last year with our whiny a** veterans who made him look like crap.

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Ignored post by Lain30 posted

edwaudo

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i know it's the first pre -season game thats why i posted it before the season comes.

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Ignored post by edwaudo posted

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i'd be down for trading him for someone who doesnt make a mockery of the pg position, but prince, stuckey & rip for allen & rondo looks like a rip-off

if stuckey doesnt shape up, i say call up toronto and get jarrett jack & a first rounder

or maybe put together a package for dj augustin

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Ignored post by WALLACE POWER posted

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I thought it was a rip off until i saw stuckey play in the pre- season and that brought back memories of how he played in the season.

I think Rondo is a top PG already and has enough skill to be the best player on the court not named Wade, Kobe, or Bron. To me Rondo is already better than the guards we have put together and if we could get a player like that here it will attract more talented players later.

and i wouldn't even make this trade if we didn't have an outstanding scorer in ben Gordon already. Now we need a player who can get him the ball.

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Ignored post by edwaudo posted

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Honestly... I'd be ok with trading him at this point too.

Whether it was a pre-season game or not, the kid just looked lost for the most part. I know he'll be get better, but he might have more value in trade.

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Darko is a much, much, much better player than people are willing to give him credit for. I think, right now, he might be better or as good as Wilcox.

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Ignored post by Black Thought posted

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Can't trade Stuckey, even if it makes sense. He is Joe's latest, "I'm a genius pick" He would never deal him until he is proven right and everyone says what a genius he was with that pick.

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Ignored post by Pimp in the Box posted

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Great, let's wait a season so we can trade him for Carlos Aroyo and some no name center.

To think, we could have had Al Harrington for Darko. Not saying Al Harrington is an amazing player, but to have him coming off of the bench could have been the difference in that SA series.

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Originally posted by Respect My Conglomerate:
Darko is a much, much, much better player than people are willing to give him credit for. I think, right now, he might be better or as good as Wilcox.

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Ignored post by Black Thought posted

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"what he is"?

By no means do I think Stuckey played well, but he wasn't awful and showed growth despite not filling up the stat sheet. His preseason struggles have definitely been overblown. He played solid on-ball defense with Mario Chalmers. His jumper wasn't falling but he got into the lane effortlessly and drew fouls on Miami's bigs and guards. He was the game leader in free throw attempts.

Something else, Stuckey had a plus/minus of 13+. So, unlike with a certain point guard on our team our players actually played better as collective whole with Stuckey on the floor.

As for this trade, NO. Never. I wouldn't trade Stuckey for Rondo STRAIGHT-UP. And you want to throw in Rip and Tay? lol hell no.

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Ignored post by tetris posted

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You wouldn't trade Rondo for Stuckey straight up?

I know you don't like Rondo, but that's ridiculous.

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Originally posted by Respect My Conglomerate:
Darko is a much, much, much better player than people are willing to give him credit for. I think, right now, he might be better or as good as Wilcox.

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Ignored post by Black Thought posted

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It's not ridiculous. I wouldn't trade Stuckey for Rondo for numerous reasons.

Rondo is a RFA after this season. No way do I want Dumars to be the fool who pays 10 mil for 5 years to a guy who hasn't proven he can be anything more than just a complimentary player on a good team. You don't commit to a complementary player. Never, especially if the player in question is inconsistent, has attitude problems, is an offensive liability, and has a giant ego.

Rondo is who he is IMO. He's a guy who just happens to be a good fit for his team. The dude can't shoot - even his free throw shooting is awful. He's already one of the more very turnover prone starting two guards, despite the fact that he doesn't see much defensive pressure and doesn't have the burden of creating high percentage shots for teammates. In Detroit all opposing teams would have to do is just zone the Pistons Rondo on the floor and, poof! You've shut him down effectively. Last year, unlike Rondo, Stuckey's mid range game has improved to the point where he's not a complete and utter liability to the team. Take him away from that stacked supporting cast and you get a poor man Russel Westbrook without the scrappy defense and overwhelming athleticism.

The guy is a horrible Fourth quarter and clutch performer. As evidenced in the Orlando and Chicago series- he doesn't always play with intensity on the defensive end despite being part of one of the greatest defending teams in history. I question his work ethic and I don't think Rondo is going to get much better than he is now. I think he's the most over-rated player in the NBA.

The only thing nice I have to say about Rondo is that he's a great rebounder.

I'd much rather have Stuckey.

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Ignored post by tetris posted

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quote:
Originally posted by tetris:
It's not ridiculous. I wouldn't trade Stuckey for Rondo for numerous reasons.

Rondo is a RFA after this season. No way do I want Dumars to be the fool who pays 10 mil for 5 years to a guy who hasn't proven he can be anything more than just a complimentary player on a good team. You don't commit to a complementary player. Never, especially if the player in question is inconsistent, has attitude problems, is an offensive liability, and has a giant ego.

Rondo is who he is IMO. He's a guy who just happens to be a good fit for his team. The dude can't shoot - even his free throw shooting is awful. He's already one of the more very turnover prone starting two guards, despite the fact that he doesn't see much defensive pressure and doesn't have the burden of creating high percentage shots for teammates. In Detroit all opposing teams would have to do is just zone the Pistons Rondo on the floor and, poof! You've shut him down effectively. Last year, unlike Rondo, Stuckey's mid range game has improved to the point where he's not a complete and utter liability to the team. Take him away from that stacked supporting cast and you get a poor man Russel Westbrook without the scrappy defense and overwhelming athleticism.

The guy is a horrible Fourth quarter and clutch performer. As evidenced in the Orlando and Chicago series- he doesn't always play with intensity on the defensive end despite being part of one of the greatest defending teams in history. I question his work ethic and I don't think Rondo is going to get much better than he is now. I think he's the most over-rated player in the NBA.

The only thing nice I have to say about Rondo is that he's a great rebounder.

I'd much rather have Stuckey.

You obviously know nothing about Rondo.

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Ignored post by Liquid Slap posted

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Oh?

Tell me about him then.

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Ignored post by tetris posted

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quote:
Originally posted by Lain30:
How about just relax it was just the first preseason game, and I'm not even going to say again how horrible our chemistry was last year with our whiny a** veterans who made him look like crap.

Exactly.

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Ignored post by Respect My Conglomerate posted

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sure easy to say trade stuck, but hows joe d gonna accept an offer, when all the gm's do is offer him lopsided garbage, unless ya wanna pull a smooth for iverson deal again

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Ignored post by Voice of Reason posted

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quote:
Originally posted by tetris:
It's not ridiculous. I wouldn't trade Stuckey for Rondo for numerous reasons.

Rondo is a RFA after this season. No way do I want Dumars to be the fool who pays 10 mil for 5 years to a guy who hasn't proven he can be anything more than just a complimentary player on a good team. You don't commit to a complementary player. Never, especially if the player in question is inconsistent, has attitude problems, is an offensive liability, and has a giant ego.

This is the only reason you don't make the trade

Rondo is who he is IMO. He's a guy who just happens to be a good fit for his team.
I'd rather have a player who can fit in, as opposed to Stuckey who honestly can't do anything well consistently.

The dude can't shoot - even his free throw shooting is awful. Stuckey can't even make a lay up. I'm glad he can hit his free throws, if he ever got to the line that would probably be beneficial.

He's already one of the more very turnover prone starting two guards, despite the fact that he doesn't see much defensive pressure and doesn't have the burden of creating high percentage shots for teammates.

Funny, he has a better a/to ratio than your boy Steve Nash. He also saw more pressure this season then he's use to. He shot 50% and scored 12 a game. Nothing to special, but to claim that he's a black hole on offense is a bit much.

In Detroit all opposing teams would have to do is just zone the Pistons Rondo on the floor and, poof! You've shut him down effectively.
Insufficient Proof to make that statement. Did you ever stop to think that maybe having the big 3 has stunted his growth offensively?

Last year, unlike Rondo, Stuckey's mid range game has improved to the point where he's not a complete and utter liability to the team.
En route to a 39 win season, in which he was so up and down it wasn't even funny. The fact that our coach was a bumbling idiot, and had no idea how to run an offense, he was given more opportunities to ISO. Rodney could very well average less PPG than he did last season.

Take him away from that stacked supporting cast and you get a poor man Russel Westbrook without the scrappy defense and overwhelming athleticism.

A poor mans Russell Westbrook? That's bull ****. Westbrook hasn't done anything in this league, Rondo has a championship and is the floor leader for one of the best teams in the league. If you believe that anyone could have been put in that spot, then that's your opinion, and I can't change that. But you're assuming A LOT.

The guy is a horrible Fourth quarter and clutch performer. As evidenced in the Orlando and Chicago series-

are you referring to last seasons playoffs? Chicago would have whooped on them with Rondo. Watch that series again, your memory must be fuzzy.

he doesn't always play with intensity on the defensive end despite being part of one of the greatest defending teams in history. I question his work ethic and I don't think Rondo is going to get much better than he is now.
I agree, he should show more intensity. He can improve on the offensive end with good coaching. His strengths aren't something you can coach.

I think he's the most over-rated player in the NBA.

Seeing his ranking in NBA 2k10 literally made me sick to my stomach. He has received some undeserved hype, but that's what happens when you win a championship.

The only thing nice I have to say about Rondo is that he's a great rebounder.

He's also a good defender, and facilitator who is young enough to learn the rest

I'd much rather have Stuckey.
I clearly would prefer Rondo. It has very little to do with Rondo, and more to do with Stuckey. He's essentially the worst starting PG in the league.

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Originally posted by Respect My Conglomerate:
Darko is a much, much, much better player than people are willing to give him credit for. I think, right now, he might be better or as good as Wilcox.

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Ignored post by Black Thought posted

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quote:
Originally posted by Pimp in the Box:
Can't trade Stuckey, even if it makes sense. He is Joe's latest, "I'm a genius pick" He would never deal him until he is proven right and everyone says what a genius he was with that pick.

You hit the nail right on the head Pimp. Stuck is the one "sacred cow"!

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Ignored post by truEnuff posted

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After watching the game:
I want to trade Stucky. Not because he is bad, or doesn't have potential to improve or because he doesn't show up for big games (because he does). He simply is redundant. Bynum is better. Gordon is better. The rookies need to play. We are loaded at the PG/Combo guard. Stuck is more valuable to the team as a trade (when he still has value) for non-guard. He must be traded for a F/C. Even if that F/C sucks.

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Ignored post by Dr. J posted

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Black Thought, Stuckey is the worst starting PG in the league? I'd say he was better than about 1/3 of the starters last year. Sometimes people overvalue what they don't have.

Below are some starting point guards I think Stuckey is better than, with some statistical comparisons from the games he started last year.

Stuckey (15 ppg, 6 apg, .439 FG%, .295 3pt%, 2.2 TOs, 2 yrs in league, 22 year old)
1. Felton (14 ppg, 6.7 apg, .409 FG%, .285 3pt%, 2.78 TOs, 4 yrs in league)
2. Tinsley (12 ppg, 8 apg, .380 FG%, .284 3pt%, 3.3 TOs, 7 years)
3. Fisher (10 pts, 3 ast)
4. Conley (11 pts, 4 ast, 1.7 TOs)
5. Sessions (12 pts, 5.7 ast, 2 TOs, .440 FG%, .176 3p%)
6. Arron Brooks (11 pts, 3 apg, .400 fg%)
7. TJ ford (15 PPG, 5 APG, 2.5 TOs, 5 yrs in league)
8. Steve Blake (11 pts, 5 ast, FG% .428, 5 yrs in league)
9. Alston
10. Udrich
11. Telfair
12. Lowry

Considering this was the first year Stuckey has ever been asked to be a pass first point guard, he did pretty impressive. If Stuckey were to go head to head against any of those guys in a 7 game series, Stuckey would likely get the best of them. He's also the 2nd youngest guy on that list, behind Conley, thus will likely improve a lot more than those others. I'd say he and Sessions right now are about equal, but Stuckey has a much higher ceiling because he's a better athlete and bigger.

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