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Three team trade with New York, Houston & Detroit. Rip & Curry to Houston, Future 1st round picks from both Houston & New York, T-Mac to New York. We'd Have about 16 million of cap space this year. Then we could sign Millsap to a 5 year 35 million deal. It would be like trading Rip for 2 1st round picks, Millsap & save 5 million is cap space.


I would actually do that one.


 
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How would the Knicks get enough cap space for McGrady by trading Curry? McGrady makes $22.5 vs. Curry's $10.5 million. They'd have to move $12.0 million somewhere, probably Detroit.


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I guess I wouldn't do that one


 
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Then send Cuttino Mobley's contract our way. I don't know why it counts, didn't he take a medical retirement? I hear it's 80% insured. We'd still have enough to sign Millsap to a 5 year 35 million deal.
 
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How would the Knicks get enough cap space for McGrady by trading Curry? McGrady makes $22.5 vs. Curry's $10.5 million. They'd have to move $12.0 million somewhere, probably Detroit.


I wonder if they S&Ted Lee to Hou and sent us an unprotected 1st rounder, if that would conflict with the "cannot-package-an-S&T-player-in-the-trade" clause? That may at least get that deal done. I think if we could send Tay instead of Rip, I'd rather. At least we know if Rip is the scoring wing, he's capable of dropping 30 if we ask him to. Tay... eh not so sure on him. I'd rather have Tay. Especially if we freed up that much cap space!


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Stuckey and Bynum are currently playing with ***...
 
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No thanks, T Mac is too fragile.
 
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I would rather trade for a Big-Mac






 
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I'm really not sure most of you guys quite understand the simplicity of making a trade for a player with an expiring contract. Ocasionally you'd like that player to be healthy and help compete on his way to a new contract. However, in this case, the McGrady case. If I'm Joe D and I want to make the deal, I do it. Then I waive him or buy him out and allow him to then sign or sit or whatever that particular guy wants to do. But i now have a $22m blank check at the end of free agency. If Joe Dumars didn't get teh big man he wants of teh future, he'll get him with that money. The other thing it does is give us a stupidly high draft pick. BEcause as much as I like Gordon, CV, Stuckey and crew, they will not be enough to get us into the playoffs! So if this team is going into the 2010 offseason with potentially the #1 pick and $20m as the average bandwagon fan would walk away only to return when these Pistons are back in the playoffs armed with 4 fairly new FA and at least one lotto pick! I wasn't for any trade involvving T-Mac, but I am for tanking, repositioning and starting basically anew...

Think of deibratly tanking as a form of Chapter 11 bankruptcy. You tank (file) reposition and realign your assests(draft high and sign FAs) and then you begin again anew! In an attemp to get better for the future of the franchise. It should allow for a speedy recovery. If Joe can get at least one very elite FA to sign here, this team could EASILY be a contender again. No, Ben Gordon and CV are not guys that will take a team to the promise land, but them along with an elite leader easily can.

I'm not saying he should do it, but I'd totally understand if he did!


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Stuckey and Bynum are currently playing with ***...
 
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To make a trade for an expiring contract, you have to have some garbage contracts for the salaries to match. Even if Joe wanted to get rid of RIP's four year contract, what would he add to it to get to $22.5 million? RIP makes $11.6 million.

Do you add Maxiell and Kwame Brown, or Prince? Any way you look at it, it's not a good deal for Detroit.


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I'm really not sure most of you guys quite understand the simplicity of making a trade for a player with an expiring contract. Ocasionally you'd like that player to be healthy and help compete on his way to a new contract. However, in this case, the McGrady case. If I'm Joe D and I want to make the deal, I do it. Then I waive him or buy him out and allow him to then sign or sit or whatever that particular guy wants to do. But i now have a $22m blank check at the end of free agency. If Joe Dumars didn't get teh big man he wants of teh future, he'll get him with that money. The other thing it does is give us a stupidly high draft pick. BEcause as much as I like Gordon, CV, Stuckey and crew, they will not be enough to get us into the playoffs! So if this team is going into the 2010 offseason with potentially the #1 pick and $20m as the average bandwagon fan would walk away only to return when these Pistons are back in the playoffs armed with 4 fairly new FA and at least one lotto pick! I wasn't for any trade involvving T-Mac, but I am for tanking, repositioning and starting basically anew...

Think of deibratly tanking as a form of Chapter 11 bankruptcy. You tank (file) reposition and realign your assests(draft high and sign FAs) and then you begin again anew! In an attemp to get better for the future of the franchise. It should allow for a speedy recovery. If Joe can get at least one very elite FA to sign here, this team could EASILY be a contender again. No, Ben Gordon and CV are not guys that will take a team to the promise land, but them along with an elite leader easily can.

I'm not saying he should do it, but I'd totally understand if he did!


You really think this team is bad enough for us to get the #1 pick in the draft? Seriously? That is ridiculous, because there arent 8 teams in the east that are better and if you think there are then name them.

Now while I do think we should tank to pick up that impact player in the draft, i just dont see us being that bad, especially if they keep Rip. If Stuckey can figure it out, him with Rip and Gordon will be one of the best backcourts in the league. I dont really know what to expect from CV, but everything thing depends on Stuckey.

I agree with your last sentence, BG and CV are great compliments to an elite player.
 
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There are going to be a ton of teams way under the salary cap next season. You really think Bosh, Staudamire, LeBron, or Wade would pick us over Miami, New York, or New Jersey? Seriously? These free agents are going to sign in the big markets where they can market themselves and make even more money. LeBron isn't going to leave Cleveland and Wade isn't going to leave Miami.

The Pistons are going to be fine. They have to make one more trade... probably Hamilton, to try and get a center. After that they will have a solid starting 5 and the beginnings of a great bench. Easily a playoff team. Dumars has alot of pressure on him to win right now, he can't afford to tank a season and hope for next year. That's not how professional sports works.
 
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There are going to be a ton of teams way under the salary cap next season. You really think Bosh, Staudamire, LeBron, or Wade would pick us over Miami, New York, or New Jersey? Seriously? These free agents are going to sign in the big markets where they can market themselves and make even more money. LeBron isn't going to leave Cleveland and Wade isn't going to leave Miami.

The Pistons are going to be fine. They have to make one more trade... probably Hamilton, to try and get a center. After that they will have a solid starting 5 and the beginnings of a great bench. Easily a playoff team. Dumars has alot of pressure on him to win right now, he can't afford to tank a season and hope for next year. That's not how professional sports works.

^^^Right on the money




 
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Originally posted by TheFeldie:
I'm really not sure most of you guys quite understand the simplicity of making a trade for a player with an expiring contract. Ocasionally you'd like that player to be healthy and help compete on his way to a new contract. However, in this case, the McGrady case. If I'm Joe D and I want to make the deal, I do it. Then I waive him or buy him out and allow him to then sign or sit or whatever that particular guy wants to do. But i now have a $22m blank check at the end of free agency. If Joe Dumars didn't get teh big man he wants of teh future, he'll get him with that money. The other thing it does is give us a stupidly high draft pick. BEcause as much as I like Gordon, CV, Stuckey and crew, they will not be enough to get us into the playoffs! So if this team is going into the 2010 offseason with potentially the #1 pick and $20m as the average bandwagon fan would walk away only to return when these Pistons are back in the playoffs armed with 4 fairly new FA and at least one lotto pick! I wasn't for any trade involvving T-Mac, but I am for tanking, repositioning and starting basically anew...

Think of deibratly tanking as a form of Chapter 11 bankruptcy. You tank (file) reposition and realign your assests(draft high and sign FAs) and then you begin again anew! In an attemp to get better for the future of the franchise. It should allow for a speedy recovery. If Joe can get at least one very elite FA to sign here, this team could EASILY be a contender again. No, Ben Gordon and CV are not guys that will take a team to the promise land, but them along with an elite leader easily can.

I'm not saying he should do it, but I'd totally understand if he did!


i agree for the most part i only differ in this. i think we are good enough for the playoffs, were just not good enough to be contenders just yet
 
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There are going to be a ton of teams way under the salary cap next season. You really think Bosh, Staudamire, LeBron, or Wade would pick us over Miami, New York, or New Jersey? Seriously? These free agents are going to sign in the big markets where they can market themselves and make even more money. LeBron isn't going to leave Cleveland and Wade isn't going to leave Miami.

The Pistons are going to be fine. They have to make one more trade... probably Hamilton, to try and get a center. After that they will have a solid starting 5 and the beginnings of a great bench. Easily a playoff team. Dumars has alot of pressure on him to win right now, he can't afford to tank a season and hope for next year. That's not how professional sports works.


Its hard to say that we are going to be fine, we dont even have a coach. I kinda like the 3 guard rotation of Stuckey, Rip and Gordon. They can be really scary, especially is Stuckey turns out to be as good as we hope. I hope Tay is the one we trade.

How is Joe D under pressure to win right now? This is a rebuilding process. Even with a legit center like Tyson, do you think they can beat Cleveland or Boston? We would easily be a playoff team but not necessarily contenders.
 
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