Is this possible? That would be a great deal for us and give NO the salary cap space they need to avoid the luxury. The franchise is in economic hardships.

I have no idea the logistics of this based on when you can trade a recently signed rookie (I believe it's 30 days which makes this possible next month).

If Joe pulls this trade off I'd be super happy. But if it involves moving Rip or Tay I'll be disappointed.

NO was planning to ship Chandler for Joe Smith and Wilcox last season, so they obviously aren't looking for a ton in return. Max is similar to Wilcox and Afflalo could even end up starting for them. A perfect compliment to CP3 on the wing.

The rotation if it happens...

PG Stuckey, Bynum
SG Rip, Gordon,
SF Prince, Summers, Sleep
PF Villenueva, Daye, Jerebko
C Chandler, Brown

To me that lineup is good for at least 4th in the east (although Toronto landed Turk, one of the few teams that will use him in a system that will keep his production up). We look thin at PF, but Prince, Summers, Daye, and Jerebko will all fill the remaining 15 minutes left from CV. Daye will also see time at SF, as will Rip.

The good part is that this team would be younger than the core of Boston and Cleveland (although Lebron is basically a core by himself...) and features contracts that can be traded if the opportunity to improve presents itself.

In other words when Shaq retires or is too old and Boston's core is further on the down side, Detroit can swing for one player and be back on top in the east.

I hope this deal happens.

Deron Washington, Max, Afflalo

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Tyson Chandler

Typically I don't pay much attention to proposed deals that involve giving away our scrub players and getting a star in return.

But this one might have legs, but only if NO is intent on saving money but losing next year. Face it, Chandler is a young, hard-working defensive minded center w/good rebounding skills. You typically don't want to give those away for nada.

The only reason NO would want to do this deal is because Detroit would be taking back about $3M more in salary than it's giving up. That means NO would stand to save $6M next year.

If I were their GM, I wouldn't do the deal, they are only $3M over the luxury tax level as is, and this move definitely takes them a few steps back basketball-wise.

i would give up bynum before arron

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Originally posted by Voice of Reason:
i would give up bynum before arron

agreed

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Originally posted by BoozCruz:

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Originally posted by Voice of Reason:
i would give up bynum before arron

agreed

That makes a lot of sense with the roster that we currently have. No backup PG and three SG after your trade.

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Originally posted by MasterBigShot:
Typically I don't pay much attention to proposed deals that involve giving away our scrub players and getting a star in return.

But this one might have legs, but only if NO is intent on saving money but losing next year. Face it, Chandler is a young, hard-working defensive minded center w/good rebounding skills. You typically don't want to give those away for nada.

The only reason NO would want to do this deal is because Detroit would be taking back about $3M more in salary than it's giving up. That means NO would stand to save $6M next year.

If I were their GM, I wouldn't do the deal, they are only $3M over the luxury tax level as is, and this move definitely takes them a few steps back basketball-wise.

But it was also said that the hornets organization is 30 million in debt, so giving away contracts is not a problem them.. Heck they basically gave chandler away at deadline last yr...

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Originally posted by Jay Jacob:

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Originally posted by MasterBigShot:
Typically I don't pay much attention to proposed deals that involve giving away our scrub players and getting a star in return.

But this one might have legs, but only if NO is intent on saving money but losing next year. Face it, Chandler is a young, hard-working defensive minded center w/good rebounding skills. You typically don't want to give those away for nada.

The only reason NO would want to do this deal is because Detroit would be taking back about $3M more in salary than it's giving up. That means NO would stand to save $6M next year.

If I were their GM, I wouldn't do the deal, they are only $3M over the luxury tax level as is, and this move definitely takes them a few steps back basketball-wise.

But it was also said that the hornets organization is 30 million in debt, so giving away contracts is not a problem them.. Heck they basically gave chandler away at deadline last yr...

N.O. is ready to take washed up Ben Wallace for Chandler and will do the deal if they can't get something better.This offer is alot better for the Hornets.They get 3 young players with potential and save good money.I'd hate to lose Afflalo and Washington but you've got to give up something.As long as Chandler passes our medical tests, I'd go for it.

I thought Joe had to wait 30 days to trade Washington though.

C - Chandler/ Kwame/ Plaisted
PF- Charlie V/Summers/ Jerebko
SF- Prince/ Daye/ Sharpe
SG- Rip / Gordon
PG- Stuckey/ Bynum

Then Rip, Tayshaun and Kwame could be used for trades now or by the deadline.

I'm not sure they actually want contracts or players, But I'm fairly certain if we dealt them an exp contract, and a 1st rounder, he's ours. Even if they traded him for BW $14m exp. deal, they still gotta pay him $14m this season.... Not something they'll do for a player who's heart isn't 100% in the game....

i would do that trade in a second...it would be tough to part ways with AA but he looks to not have many minutes anyways considering gordon,rip,stuck.

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Originally posted by TheFeldie:
Even if they traded him for BW $14m exp. deal, they still gotta pay him $14m this season....

But if the rumors that Ben wants to retire are true, then NO could buy him out for substantially less than $14 million.



As far as this trade goes, if he passes our medical tests, I'd do it. We do need a center that plays defense and rebounds, and Chandler does those pretty well.

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Deron Washington, Afflalo, and Max to NO for Chandler?

How do we do this? Chander makes $12,250,000 vs. Maxiell'a $5,000,000 and Afflalo's $1,086,240. It doesn't matter what Washington makes because it's not yet counted against the cap.

That's $6,164,000 out of our remaining $3-$4 million. Are we going to undo the Villanueva or Gordon signings to do this one? Chandler can't be acquired without involving Prince or RIP, or possibly Brown and Maxiell, but that doesn't add a center, and uses all our cap space.

Will everyone please stop this Chandler lunacy?

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Originally posted by dbuch238:

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Deron Washington, Afflalo, and Max to NO for Chandler?

How do we do this? Chander makes $12,250,000 vs. Maxiell'a $5,000,000 and Afflalo's $1,086,240. It doesn't matter what Washington makes because it's not yet counted against the cap.

That's $6,164,000 out of our remaining $3-$4 million. Are we going to undo the Villanueva or Gordon signings to do this one? Chandler can't be acquired without involving Prince or RIP, or possibly Brown and Maxiell, but that doesn't add a center, and uses all our cap space.

We don't know what CV or BG are making yet, so the entire financial aspect is just speculation at this point. The contracts could be back-loaded, or they could be front-loaded. They could be flat rate. They could be longer or shorter length than what has been reported. They could be for more or less money than reported.

Point is, stop acting like you know how much we have left. Wait until July 8 when the contracts are officially announced.

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We don't know what CV or BG are making yet, so the entire financial aspect is just speculation at this point. The contracts could be back-loaded, or they could be front-loaded. They could be flat rate. They could be longer or shorter length than what has been reported. They could be for more or less money than reported.

With 8% increases, assuming $95 million, the lowest they can start at is $16.2 million, going to $22 million in year 5. Nobody thinks the Pistons will have over $20 million, but you're right, it's not impossible, just very improbable.

Point is, stop acting like you know how much we have left. Wait until July 8 when the contracts are officially announced.

I don't know how much is left, and nobody will until July 8, but they can't backload that much because the CBE only allows for 8% raises, 10.5% on a sign and trade. And, they can't go more than five year, unless they're signed by their current team (sign & trade can go 6 years).

Assuming $95 million, the lowest it can start at is $16.2 million, going to $22 million in year 5. Nobody thinks the Pistons will have much more than $20 million.

Is it possible? Yes, but very improbable.

Not enough salary with those players, but what if you added cash considerations or a draft pick?

I would love to steal Chandler for AA, JM, & DW!

Did I miss something where Chandler is a star player, why is everyone so hung up on him? I would rather just sign Zaza Pachulia, he younger cheaper and is down right dirty in the middle. Chandler is why overpaid, somewhat injury prone and can only dunk the ball. I say bring Z in for 4 million a year and role with him and Brown.

Chandler is an upgrade over Kwame any day.

Also, I would bet that Chandler opts in next year because he would have a tough time getting a good deal in next years free agent class. Which means that we are stuck paying him 12 mil instead of having that as potential cap space which is something that makes this deal look attractive.