we continue to turn over the ball, last night was ridiculous, Were the pistons, ya know the team that is always right up there in fewest turnovers, assist to ration, ya know that team. Ill gladly take a slower tempo again, over that garbage i saw last night.
an for you bynum is better then stuckey fanatics, well i say...
Chuck-a chucky atkins was the freakin man!!! sure the squad he was running with was bricking everything, but chucky actually backed out if there was nothing there, instead of everyone else last night forcing a bunch of garbage, an he was actually ORCHESTRATING everyone where to go,stuckey an bynum TAKE NOTES, cuz ya both can learn a lot from the should have been champion once GREAT back up to smooth him self
Posts: 1738 | Location: Wayne Manor | Registered: April 14, 2009
we need to take care of the ball, charlie coming back isn't gonna help us magically improve our turnover rate, an maybe chucky should be here, cause obviously our POINT GUARDS, don't know how to be ones, an who cares if he's old, its not like he lost a step, he's still as quick, as he was when he was here, before, an that was like what 5-6 years ago
Posts: 1738 | Location: Wayne Manor | Registered: April 14, 2009
Posted October 16, 2009 10:04 AM Hide Post we need to take care of the ball, charlie coming back isn't gonna help us magically improve our turnover rate, an maybe chucky should be here, cause obviously our POINT GUARDS, don't know how to be ones, an who cares if he's old, its not like he lost a step, he's still as quick, as he was when he was here, before, an that was like what 5-6 years ago
Playing without a PG, we're going to have a lot of turnovers. Stuckey isn't even trying to be one. He brings the ball up the court and hands it off. Then hides in the corner. Whoever has the ball tries to take the shot. There's very little passing, and no attempt to free anyone up for an open shot. I don't believe Stuckey has had more than two assists in any exhibition game.
Dave B
Posts: 1205 | Location: Las Vegas | Registered: October 10, 2007
were playing with like 4 point guards, its gonna take a while id imagine for everyone to get used to this, but there isn't a defined traditional pg you throw the ball to every possession, finally we are using our versatility an letting anyone who can handle bring the ball up if they get it first, they mostly are stuck, bynum, rip, tay, an bg. then the one who walked it up becomes the point for a bit, till they dump it off, so we really dont have a defined point guard at all
Posts: 1738 | Location: Wayne Manor | Registered: April 14, 2009
I have high hopes for the Pistons this year but getting beat by 25 is ridiculous. With or without Charlie V that is a huge statement. The Mavericks have owned us for a couple of years now. I'm glad we only play them twice a season cuz they are always treating our team like little boys. Daye has once again showed consistency from behind the arc. Which has impressed me. But the lack of Pg is killing me and everyone else who is a pistons fan. The offense is stagnant.The Pistons have a serious crisis unfolding on their hands and it's lack of identity. Joe D and everyone else keeps talking about how great rodney stuckey is. I believe the cat is a bench player and needs to be the one coming off the bench until he can learn to distribute the ball and take better shot selections. He jacked up 18 shots and made 8 against the mavericks and 3 of 15 against the wizards. He is taking the majority of the shots on offense with a broke jumper and not even looking to distribute. BTW Kwame Brown is finally starting to shape up.
Stuckey and Bynum are currently playing with *** for scorers. Is it easy to create a shot for Summers or Jerebko or Wallace or Kwame or Wilcox or Maxiell? Hell no. They suck. So, if you have the ability to score at a better percentage than your teammates, why not do it?
I said this a few days ago, the PG's job is to get his team the best shot possible in any given possession. If the PG is a more efficient scorer than any of his teammates (as Stuckey and Bynum are), he SHOULD be calling his own number a lot. Screw "running the offense" or "distributing the ball".
Get our point guards some better players and maybe they'll start passing a bit more.
Seriously the backcourt rotation has been a pleasant surprise. The undisputed bright spot of this team. The only complaint I have is Bynum still pounds the air out the ball.
As for the turnovers, remember man, a lot of the guys on our team are used to playing at turtle slow pace. I expect we'll have lots of peaks and ugly troughs early on. Just give it more time.
Posts: 1390 | Location: Detroit, MI | Registered: November 05, 2008
Originally posted by tetris: Stuckey and Bynum are currently playing with *** for scorers. Is it easy to create a shot for Summers or Jerebko or Wallace or Kwame or Wilcox or Maxiell? Hell no. They suck. So, if you have the ability to score at a better percentage than your teammates, why not do it?
And we dont have Ben Gordon, Richard Hamilton and Austin Daye? - All extremely efficient spot up shooters that if you can get them open you will have easy buckets. Get it right - Stuckey is a ball hog, and he doesn't give a **** about running the point
Originally posted by UnderPressure: I'm pretty such that the concept of not turning the ball over and playing smart basketball went out the door once Flip and Chauncey left
Flip actually did run some pretty good offensive sets back in the day. And Chauncey being the assist to turn over king helped keep that TO stat down
We were last in turnovers per game last year. It's the pace, not the players.
Posts: 1390 | Location: Detroit, MI | Registered: November 05, 2008
We were without 2 starters and Ben Wallace. I'm not freaking out. We played them pretty even in the first half. It does look like Q is running an offense with no PG. It was hard to see exactly what was going on online, but it doesn't seem like Stuckey is even in a position to make plays as a PG. Maybe when Charlie V. comes back they'll be doing some pick and rolls and pick and pops that will allow Stuckey to create.
I'd like to see what Ben Gordon can do at the point. He's a better passer and gets more assists than Stuckey, and he believes he has more PG skills than he has shown. Why not have Gordon and Stuckey switch rolls? It couldn't be any worse.
Dave B
Posts: 1205 | Location: Las Vegas | Registered: October 10, 2007
Originally posted by Afflalo2theMax: We were without 2 starters and Ben Wallace. I'm not freaking out. We played them pretty even in the first half. It does look like Q is running an offense with no PG. It was hard to see exactly what was going on online, but it doesn't seem like Stuckey is even in a position to make plays as a PG. Maybe when Charlie V. comes back they'll be doing some pick and rolls and pick and pops that will allow Stuckey to create.
i was watching it on nbatv an i seen clearly what was crackin an how i said theres multiple point guards was a fair assessment if ya could actually see the game with clearity
Posts: 1738 | Location: Wayne Manor | Registered: April 14, 2009
It was just a preseason game and again we don't have all our starters right now, and Villanueva handles the ball well, when he comes back we will have probably like 4 less TOs a game because we will have more skill at the F position, plus we have been playing the rookies alot so far this preseason and as rookies will do they make mistakes, I saw Daye make 2 lazy passes yesterday that resulted in turnovers, they will iron it out with experience.
im aware its just the pre-season if we don't clean it up then it becomes a big problem in the real season. this isn't the first game we had a problem with turn overs
Posts: 1738 | Location: Wayne Manor | Registered: April 14, 2009
It's not just the turnovers. It's the lack of ball movement. Everyone is trying to force up a shot. No one is trying to run plays to free up someone for the open shot.
Dave B
Posts: 1205 | Location: Las Vegas | Registered: October 10, 2007
Originally posted by riserddd: I have high hopes for the Pistons this year but getting beat by 25 is ridiculous. With or without Charlie V that is a huge statement. The Mavericks have owned us for a couple of years now. I'm glad we only play them twice a season cuz they are always treating our team like little boys. Daye has once again showed consistency from behind the arc. Which has impressed me. But the lack of Pg is killing me and everyone else who is a pistons fan. The offense is stagnant.The Pistons have a serious crisis unfolding on their hands and it's lack of identity. Joe D and everyone else keeps talking about how great rodney stuckey is. I believe the cat is a bench player and needs to be the one coming off the bench until he can learn to distribute the ball and take better shot selections. He jacked up 18 shots and made 8 against the mavericks and 3 of 15 against the wizards. He is taking the majority of the shots on offense with a broke jumper and not even looking to distribute. BTW Kwame Brown is finally starting to shape up.
Stuckey was very good in the first half and had 17, it was the second half where he had 3 points and should have been passing the ball. 8 for 18 is still good shooting. The annoying thing is when he goes 3 of 15 - it should have been obvious even to him that he should have been passing the ball. As for assists, how many times does Stuckey pass the ball and a teammate misses causing Stuckey not to get an assist on his pass???
When the season starts, the turnovers should get lower and the team will get used to playing together.
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