I think we should target Al Jefferson. Get rid of Tay and Kwame for him and start looking like a contender. There's only a few guys I would like to see on the Pistons roster. Carlos Boozer, Amare Stoudamire, Chris Bosh, and Al Jefferson. Hell I'll even throw Kendrick Perkins in there. If we land any one of these guys we can be contenders.
It would take Rip, Tay, Gordon and Stuckey for Jefferson and bad contracts in return.
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Originally posted by Scorpion: al jeff is the best post scorer in the leauge noway minni trades him.
No he isn't, he isn't even the top 10.
Any Al Jefferson trade ideas are pointless. People value him like a superstar when in he reality he's Zach Randolph with more shot blocking and a better contract.
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I agree Al Jefferson is overrated, especially since he's always putting up solid numbers on bad lottery teams. And, I agree that he isn't the "best" post scorer in the league. But, he's definitely in the top 10.
Who are 10 better low post scorers? You'll start to stretch and reach for names after you name the first 5 or so.
Al Jefferson is a better post scorer than Dwight, Amare, Dirk, and Bosh.
Dwight still isn't that great a post scorer, not out of the post where he has to make moves to get buckets. He gets additional scoring opportunities by running the floor well in transition and by using his strength and athleticism for alley-oops or offensive rebounding. Force both Al and Dwight to only score out of the post, and Jefferson is the better scorer.
Amare is a better pick-and-roll scorer than he is a post scorer. He's not as bad a post scorer as some critics say, but he's still not a better post scorer than Jefferson.
Dirk doesn't have the base or lower core strength to hold defenders in the low post. That's why he generally starts in the high midpost or the high post to back down defenders where he has to resort to midrange fade-aways. That's not post scoring. Those are midrange jumpers. Not a horrible post scorer but certainly not a better post scorer than Jefferson.
And Amare and Dirk also have the same problem as Chris Bosh, they rather settle for jumpers than consistently getting in the post. Could say the same thing for players like Rasheed and Zach Randolph, who are actually good low post scorers but hate to get into the post. And, even Yao to a great extent rather settle for jumpers. He doesn't have great quickness or deceptive moves in the low post. He just shoots over people and still he rather shoot the 17-20 foot jumper.
You have Shaq, Duncan, Gasol, and Boozer, and I'd even give you Yao. Al Jefferson is decidedly a better post scorer than everyone else you mentioned.
Originally posted by Joe Jam: Al Jefferson is a better post scorer than Dwight, Amare, Dirk, and Bosh.
Dwight still isn't that great a post scorer, not out of the post where he has to make moves to get buckets. He gets additional scoring opportunities by running the floor well in transition and by using his strength and athleticism for alley-oops or offensive rebounding. Force both Al and Dwight to only score out of the post, and Jefferson is the better scorer.
Amare is a better pick-and-roll scorer than he is a post scorer. He's not as bad a post scorer as some critics say, but he's still not a better post scorer than Jefferson.
Dirk doesn't have the base or lower core strength to hold defenders in the low post. That's why he generally starts in the high midpost or the high post to back down defenders where he has to resort to midrange fade-aways. That's not post scoring. Those are midrange jumpers. Not a horrible post scorer but certainly not a better post scorer than Jefferson.
And Amare and Dirk also have the same problem as Chris Bosh, they rather settle for jumpers than consistently getting in the post. Could say the same thing for players like Rasheed and Zach Randolph, who are actually good low post scorers but hate to get into the post. And, even Yao to a great extent rather settle for jumpers. He doesn't have great quickness or deceptive moves in the low post. He just shoots over people and still he rather shoot the 17-20 foot jumper.
You have Shaq, Duncan, Gasol, and Boozer, and I'd even give you Yao. Al Jefferson is decidedly a better post scorer than everyone else you mentioned.
I used an objective measure to rank the best post scorers: scoring efficiency. You're arguing aesthetics and semantics.
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Originally posted by DAYE POWER: tetris doesn't watch basketball, JJ. i suggest you stop arguing with him now and find something more constructive to do. you'll thank me later.
Originally posted by Joe Jam: Al Jefferson is a better post scorer than Dwight, Amare, Dirk, and Bosh.
Dwight still isn't that great a post scorer, not out of the post where he has to make moves to get buckets. He gets additional scoring opportunities by running the floor well in transition and by using his strength and athleticism for alley-oops or offensive rebounding. Force both Al and Dwight to only score out of the post, and Jefferson is the better scorer.
Amare is a better pick-and-roll scorer than he is a post scorer. He's not as bad a post scorer as some critics say, but he's still not a better post scorer than Jefferson.
Dirk doesn't have the base or lower core strength to hold defenders in the low post. That's why he generally starts in the high midpost or the high post to back down defenders where he has to resort to midrange fade-aways. That's not post scoring. Those are midrange jumpers. Not a horrible post scorer but certainly not a better post scorer than Jefferson.
And Amare and Dirk also have the same problem as Chris Bosh, they rather settle for jumpers than consistently getting in the post. Could say the same thing for players like Rasheed and Zach Randolph, who are actually good low post scorers but hate to get into the post. And, even Yao to a great extent rather settle for jumpers. He doesn't have great quickness or deceptive moves in the low post. He just shoots over people and still he rather shoot the 17-20 foot jumper.
You have Shaq, Duncan, Gasol, and Boozer, and I'd even give you Yao. Al Jefferson is decidedly a better post scorer than everyone else you mentioned.
I used an objective measure to rank the best post scorers: scoring efficiency. You're arguing aesthetics and semantics.
You're using a statistical measure to argue something that isn't measured statistically. If a PF/C is shooting a lot of jumpers at a high rate or getting a lot of high percentage dunks in transition, off of alley oops, and offensive rebounds, it doesn't necessarily make them a good post scorer.
Tony Parker shoots over 50% from the field with great scoring efficiency. It doesn't mean he's a good post scorer.
Your point of view and supporting evidence are flawed.
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