Boston Globe reports Pistons turned down offer to exchange Tay for Boozer. What is Dumars thinking? We've got the back-up SF, but we lack low post players and rebounders. Boozer may or may not play for more than a year with the team but the salary cap space he would clear would more than compensate for his absence. Make the deal Joe.

Our back-up small forward being a rookie that has yet to play a single NBA game? Then when Boozer's contract exipires we still have a hole there and one at small forward?

I would say CV can start at the 3 no problem.....

I think everything will be determine on summers and daye.. If Joe feels like they can handle the load like he did i.e tayshaun for mike curry and stuckey for chauncey, rip for for stackhouse. Then Joe will pull the trigger, but joe has time to make a decision...

Boozer has bulk, 260 pounds and, although he can shoot from mid-range, is most effective in the low post. I see him more as a center. Utah's "center", Okur, played outside, leaving the low post to either Boozer or Millsap.

Charlie is more effective in the high post, where he spreads the floor, creating room for his teammates.

Defensively, a Brown-Villanueva post combo would be better than Boozer-Villanueva, and would be effective against the bigger centers.

Charlie did play SF in Toronto, but wasn't quick enough to stay with some of the faster 3's. Besides, Daye is probably being groomed as a replacement for Prince at 3. Why temporarily move Charlie to another position when he's still learning the 4.

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Originally posted by Catari:
Boston Globe reports Pistons turned down offer to exchange Tay for Boozer. What is Dumars thinking? We've got the back-up SF, but we lack low post players and rebounders. Boozer may or may not play for more than a year with the team but the salary cap space he would clear would more than compensate for his absence. Make the deal Joe.

No Joe is thinking right. He's thinking of improving now not future cap space. I agree with others I want to trade Prince too but it hinges on 3 factors for me.

1. Us getting a REAL center in the mold of Biedrins, Okur, Al Jefferson (which Boozer is not) traded for and inked to an extension so we dont have a 2 holes instead of 1 when the contract expires.(point raised by detfan08)
2. The development of the rookies. Looks so far that the 2nd round pick Summers is showing up the near lottery pick Daye. lol But depending on if either of them steps up is another factor on whether I get rid of Prince.
3. The development of Jerebko. I really like what I've seen of him so far and there's talk of Joe wanting to use him as a PF-C. He'd be able to spread the floor, shoot the 3 as well as do a bit of work in the post (hopefully) If he proves worth his salt as a C we may not need to trade Prince for a big.

Defensively, Jerebko, having played in Italy for two years, is ahead of the other two, and they shouldn't be afraid to use him, but probably at PF.

At center, they have Kwame Brown, and Jason Maxiell minutes will also be at center. Trent Plaisted, if he shows anything in Las Vegas or training camp, can be the 3rd. He knows how to defend. It's just a matter of showing he's in shape and his back injury isn't bothering him.

Jerebko has good size, and someday may be a 4/5, but I think they were just trying to limit Plaisted's minutes and, by playing Daye the entire game at SF, Jerebko and Summers shared PF minutes. Playing C gave Jerebko more playing time.

Get this deal done Joe.Utah has a week to trade Boozer.

How many of you want to see a 5th straight playoff FLOP by Prince? I for one don't and if you do, your a fool.It keeps happening every year and the "Palace Pushover" apologists keep using the same excuses.4 years in a row, it's no coincidence, it's a trend and last year his defense spiraled downward, worse than I've seen from him.

There would be plenty of line-up flexibility with this trade.When Kwame starts, then Charlie V starts at SF.Kwame goes to the bench and Charlie slids to the 4, Rip moves to the 3 while Gordon plays the 2.The rest of the small forward minutes could be split by Summers, Daye and Jerebko and each of them could move to the 4 spot for some additional minutes.

This move would improve the Pistons now and in the future.I just don't see why Utah(with AK47)would want Tayshaun over Rip(at a position of need), doesn't make sense. Rip has been the Pistons top & most consistent playoff performer over the past few playoffs.Gordon has stated AND signed with the understanding of coming off the bench, he can get plenty of minutes with Prince gone and Rip manning the 3 for stretches.

If Prince stays these rookies will not get the valuable minutes they need to develope.Every coach keeps Prince on the floor too much and it always comes back to bite them HARD.So Joe, take the decision out of Q's hands and let Sloan get burnt by a Prince season ending fade-out.

MADNESS IS REPEATING WHAT HAS ALREADY FAILED.

I have a hard time believing Joe turned down a Boozer for Tay straight up trade, their has to be too many draft picks or something involved.

This is the guy that we might have been willing to offer a contract starting at 12 Mill the first year at four or five years. Now we can get this same player with an expiring contract (in case it doesn't work). I thought it would take Rip to get the deal done. Worse case scenario, his contract comes off the books and we can have some cash for the 2010 offseason.

I'm not a big fan at having Rip at the SF (along with Stuck and Ben in the backcourt) but with Daye, Summers, washington, Charlie...we have alot of options to split time at SF.

I'd do the deal. Dwight Howard isn't exactly going to fall in our lap, Boozer is a good as we can expect at this point.

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This is the guy that we might have been willing to offer a contract starting at 12 Mill the first year at four or five years. Now we can get this same player with an expiring contract (in case it doesn't work). I thought it would take Rip to get the deal done. Worse case scenario, his contract comes off the books and we can have some cash for the 2010 offseason.

When Boozer opted to stay with the Jazz, Joe went with Villanueva, who was a free agent.

If Boozer opted out, Joe could have locked him in with a long term contract, and played him at PF. But now, he would only get him for one year, and he would have to play center. We're set at PF, and need someone big at center. With the Cavaliers having O'Neal/Ilgauskas, the Pistons need a second large center.

And, the Pistons will be a long way from the luxury tax, and will have no need for expiring contracts.

Good.

You do not trade pivotal pieces of your franchise for cap space unless it is a guarantee that you will be able to get a player as good or better for that freed up money later down the road.

A front court of Boozer and CV with Rip as SF all but assures that Detroit will be so bad next season that no one is interested in coming here(unless we overpay). And after trading Tay, letting Rip age another year, along with letting Boozer walk we won't have good enough assets to put in trades for pieces we want.

No way

An expiring contract is not as appealing as people make it out to be. The cap is falling and is expected to go down again next season. That 12 mil contract is probably worth closer to 8 off of next seasons cap. Not enough to get a big name free agent.

Obviously Joe wanted Boozer for about the same price we paid for Charlie V. If Joe was offering a contract in the 10-12 mil a year range Boozer would have opted out. I think Joe is wise staying away from Boozer. We have no long term use for him and he will not give us enough cap space to bring in a top player next season. Rip or Tay are valuable assets and we run a substantial risk of getting little in return with the Utah trade.

Tay makes sense for Utah. He does about as well as anyone guarding Kobe. He gives them someone else who can run the offense and take some pressure off of Williams. It allows them to start Miles at the 2. AK47 is best playing pf and no matter if Rip or Tay came to Utah that is were he will likely play from now on. IMO Tay's versatility makes him more attractive to Utah but I don't see why Joe would want Boozer.

I doubt it was a Boozer for Prince straight up deal. Joe Dumars knows Utah is desperate to trade Boozer now. It would be great to drop Prince and upgrade the front court. Of course, maybe Joe D is trying to get something done without dropping Prince, Rip, Stuckey, BG, or CV. Do people actually believe Prince > Boozer?

Again dcspyder, Joe's already signed a PF, Villanueva. That left him enough money to also sign Ben Gordon.

If he got Boozer now, he'd either have to move Villanueva to a 3, probably not in the long range plan, or play Boozer at center. Boozer is a good PF, but an undersized center who would be leased for one year.

If Boozer had become a free agent, Joe would have had to choose between Boozer or Villanueva/Gordon, but that's in the past. We're beyond that now. We need a big center, not a small PF/C like Boozer.

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This is the guy that we might have been willing to offer a contract starting at 12 Mill the first year at four or five years. Now we can get this same player with an expiring contract (in case it doesn't work). I thought it would take Rip to get the deal done. Worse case scenario, his contract comes off the books and we can have some cash for the 2010 offseason.

When Boozer opted to stay with the Jazz, Joe went with Villanueva, who was a free agent.

If Boozer opted out, Joe could have locked him in with a long term contract, and played him at PF. But now, he would only get him for one year, and he would have to play center. We're set at PF, and need someone big at center. With the Cavaliers having O'Neal/Ilgauskas, the Pistons need a second large center.

And, the Pistons will be a long way from the luxury tax, and will have no need for expiring contracts.

I'm saying worse case is his contract expires if it doesn't work then he is off the books. An expiring deal is still attractive because we are still around the Cap limit. So with him and Kwame coming off the books we maybe able to sing a contract around 12 Mill to some one.

What I would prefer is if it works, extend him and use the MLE during the off seasons.

Who are these Centers everyone is looking for? Even last year, Kwame was our only real Center on our roster. There are only half a dozen or so legit Centers worth a double digit contract in the league.

Even though I hate Boozer, I'm starting to like the idea of a Rip for Boozer trade, but I don't like the idea of trading Prince for Boozer. Unless they decide to play CV at SF, we would be very short at SF. With Stuckey, Gordon, and CV, we might have a team worthy of a shot at Bosh in 2010.

He would solidify us at center, but we'd be playing a rookie at SF. Does that make us better?

True, not too many teams have legitimate centers, but a Central Division foe has two O'neal/Ilgauskas. Do we play Boozer against O'neal, or Kwame? And then have Boozer play Ilgauskas? To go anywhere in the playoffs, we have to get by Cleveland, Boston and Orlando. Boston has Perkins/Wallace, and Orlando has Howard.

We have plenty of scoring at four positions. We don't need another scorer. We need a strong low post defender. Now that Rasheed is gone, that's Kwame, maybe Chandler would do, but not Boozer.

GJ Joe. Boozer = Hurt every year. Plays zero D. That would have been a crap trade. I'm sure they wanted future pics also.

If Joe didn't get Charlie, I would've accepted Boozer if he were complimented by a defensive minded center.

While Charlie isn't a defensive guy himself, he does have potential to improve based on his age, size, and mobility. Boozer really doesn't. He is what he is at this point...other than not knowing if the injuries will keep piling up to slow him down.

Thankfully, the signing of Charlie killed the need for taking a risk on Boozer.

Only way Boozer makes sense to me is in a 3-way trade. I have wondered, with Atlanta being frugal and now shopping Josh Smith, if they'd have interest in taking Boozer for Smith. (They'd get both cap room and an impact big who'd actually be complimented well by Horford). But if they did, why wouldn't Utah just keep the much younger Smith over Tay for themselves?

In other words, Boozer isn't the answer for Detroit anymore and in most 3-ways that make sense for Detroit, it makes more sense for Utah to keep the better player than Tay or Rip.