Your point guard is supposed to make other people better right? Well, who does Stuckey make better on this team and how?

GO!

Bynum. Because he shows everyone that Bynum is better.

Nobody...

I've been holding out hope but Joe whiffed on this one if his intentions was to make Stuckey a starting point guard in this league. His CEILING will be a poor man's J.R. Smith without the range. Speaking of, you know how easy it would have been to get J.R. Smith into a Pistons uniform? Two years ago Denver was trying to give him away. One year with Chauncey and away from AI, he's a valuable sixth man, and no longer a knucklehead. He tries hard on defense, has unlimited range, and scores baskets in bunches.

We should have a guy like Stuckey on the second unit. A guy who has good range, can drive the ball and come off screens well, lights it up quickly and shoots well from the foul line. Oh wait! We do! He's called Ben Gordon. In reality Stuckey doesn't have a role on this team he can contribute to.

Add point guard to one of the things the Pistons desperately need.

I wonder if there was a move that would have netted us a PG for around 5 years 55 million and gotten rid of Stucky and Tay? Hmmmmmm.....

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Originally posted by edwaudo:
I wonder if there was a move that would have netted us a PG for around 5 years 55 million and gotten rid of Stucky and Tay? Hmmmmmm.....

Not so sure there was. But PG's have been coming in DROVES the last few years. Look at all the good young ones. Harris, Chalmers, Rondo, Jennings, Aaron Brooks.

Find a PG that fits your style of play, and one will come around in a draft sooner or later. None of those guys were top 5 picks.

Spare me this "make your teammates better" garbage. PGs can't just magically change chicken **** into chicken salad. If that's your criteria for an acceptable PG, you'll be looking forever. There inst a PG in the league that could run an efficient offense with the likes of Wallace, Brown, Maxiell, Jerebko, Daye, CV, etc. as his team mates.

See Chris Paul. Dude is having a career season so far, yet his team sucks and everyone is playing like crap.

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Originally posted by OrlandoPistonFan:

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Originally posted by edwaudo:
I wonder if there was a move that would have netted us a PG for around 5 years 55 million and gotten rid of Stucky and Tay? Hmmmmmm.....

Not so sure there was. But PG's have been coming in DROVES the last few years. Look at all the good young ones. Harris, Chalmers, Rondo, Jennings, Aaron Brooks.

Find a PG that fits your style of play, and one will come around in a draft sooner or later. None of those guys were top 5 picks.

You're going to have to explain who those guy make better and how they do it.

My Depth Chart

Point: Bynum, Prince
SG: Hamilton, Gordon
SF: Prince, Stucky
PF: Charlie V., Wilcox
Center, Wallice, Brown

Players to use if someone doesn't earn thier minutes: Maxiel, Jerbko, Daye, Summers, Atkins

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Originally posted by tetris:

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Originally posted by OrlandoPistonFan:

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Originally posted by edwaudo:
I wonder if there was a move that would have netted us a PG for around 5 years 55 million and gotten rid of Stucky and Tay? Hmmmmmm.....

Not so sure there was. But PG's have been coming in DROVES the last few years. Look at all the good young ones. Harris, Chalmers, Rondo, Jennings, Aaron Brooks.

Find a PG that fits your style of play, and one will come around in a draft sooner or later. None of those guys were top 5 picks.

You're going to have to explain who those guy make better and how they do it.

Devin Harris - Breaks down the defense draws defenders in makes things easier for a young Brook Lopez to score easy baskets rather than have to use post 1 on 1 moves.

Chalmers - Spreads the floor and defends other point guards well. Give Wade an 3 point outlet that lessens the sag double teams from the wing positions, allowing him more room to work freely. Wade averaged a career high last year with chalmers as a deep ball threat

Rondo - do i have to explain this one? His rebounding and transition skills allow Ray Allen to have wide open transition threes. His defense and ability to eliminate point guard penetration makes KG and Perkins even better on the inside.

Jennings - Lightning quick guard who penetrates the lane with ease. Helps his bigs get easy baskets. See why Hakim Warrick is having a career year thus far.

Aaron Brooks - Main ball handler for a team that is missing TMac, and Yao. You tell me how they are scoring and winning games if its not him being able to take the ball to the basket?

Stuckey looks to start averaging about 8 or 9 rebounds a game, that helps big time, and when Rip gets back in the rotation stuckey will be able to get more assists.

Warrick isn't having a career year; he's shooting 35% from the field. The Bucks, I mean look at all of their players, with numbers down across the board and shooting percentages at all time lows. Jennings making his teammates better FTW!

Seriously, when you guys spout off about this "make teammates better" non-sense, you ignore the fact that the relationships between a point guard and other players are largely symbiotic. It's not Jennings fault the Bucks can't score. Replace Perkins, Pierce, and KG with Ben, Tay, and CV. We wouldn't be hearing **** about Rondo making his teammates better and the Celtics would suck. Replace Brook Lopez with Wilcox. How great would Harris look as a distrubtor then? Why is that even Chris Paul can't get his teammates to play respectable basketball? Point guards don't make bad offensive players better. That is fact.

When Stuckey has a chance to play with guys who are, you know, respectable offensive players then get back to me.

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Originally posted by tetris:

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Originally posted by OrlandoPistonFan:

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Originally posted by edwaudo:
I wonder if there was a move that would have netted us a PG for around 5 years 55 million and gotten rid of Stucky and Tay? Hmmmmmm.....

Not so sure there was. But PG's have been coming in DROVES the last few years. Look at all the good young ones. Harris, Chalmers, Rondo, Jennings, Aaron Brooks.

Find a PG that fits your style of play, and one will come around in a draft sooner or later. None of those guys were top 5 picks.

You're going to have to explain who those guy make better and how they do it.

Devin Harris - Breaks down the defense draws defenders in makes things easier for a young Brook Lopez to score easy baskets rather than have to use post 1 on 1 moves.

Chalmers - Spreads the floor and defends other point guards well. Give Wade an 3 point outlet that lessens the sag double teams from the wing positions, allowing him more room to work freely. Wade averaged a career high last year with chalmers as a deep ball threat

Rondo - do i have to explain this one? His rebounding and transition skills allow Ray Allen to have wide open transition threes. His defense and ability to eliminate point guard penetration makes KG and Perkins even better on the inside.

Jennings - Lightning quick guard who penetrates the lane with ease. Helps his bigs get easy baskets. See why Hakim Warrick is having a career year thus far.

Aaron Brooks - Main ball handler for a team that is missing TMac, and Yao. You tell me how they are scoring and winning games if its not him being able to take the ball to the basket?

we could have any one of those guys too if it wasnt for dumars being a dummy.

tetris I agree with your post in that Stuckey has possibly the worst front line in NBA history to distribute the ball to. But to that fact, we still remain to say, he has NEVER been a point guard. You combine those two factors and it's hard in the NBA and in Detroit, for him to learn that. Its not like we have a good coach, or anything like that. I don't mind Rodney Stuckey, but to tell me he's going to be this amazing point guard where he has to totally learn the position with no resources is asinine. It's why he's looking so bad.

He is learning terrible habits because of his situation and I'm afraid its going to take a Chauncey like 6 years for him to find the coach and team combination where his point guard skills can excel. We won't hang around with him that long and he might be better off playing a role closer to his history.

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tetris I agree with your post in that Stuckey has possibly the worst front line in NBA history to distribute the ball to.

Really???? Jesus, how long have you been watching the NBA? There have been some pretty bad front lines throughout history. That just seems like a pretty strong statement "worst in NBA history".

I disagree. I'm not seeing how Stuckey has never been a point guard.

Stuckey makes Bynum look better? Bynum doesn't distribute the ball either. If he started we'd have the same result.

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Originally posted by OrlandoPistonFan:
tetris I agree with your post in that Stuckey has possibly the worst front line in NBA history to distribute the ball to.

Really???? Jesus, how long have you been watching the NBA? There have been some pretty bad front lines throughout history. That just seems like a pretty strong statement "worst in NBA history".

offensively, this may very well be the worst front court of all time. can you name any that werent better?

The 2001 76ers had a much worse frontcourt.

Of course this isn't the greatest front line offensively but to say the worse ever, ridiculous. Chris Wilcox has been an very efficient offensive player throughout his career and was that in the preseason as well but so far this season has sucked, wonder why. I guess he just woke up and started to suck overnight eh?

CV is a guy that can average 16ppg when healthy. He can score numerous ways; he has a jump shot, outside shot, can face up and take people off the dribble, and can score with his back against the basket. Thing is, he has to be healthy though and get the ball in positions where he'll be healthy.

Maxiell and Kwame are who they are, guys who can finish around the rim, clean up on offense boards, and occasionally make a nice post move.


When you're a big man, you don't have the basketball in your hands the entire game like guards do and most true bigs have trouble creating their own shot because they don't have the ability to take their defenders off the dribble, like guards do. Guys like Wilcox and Maxiell depend a ton on their point guards to penetrate for them and get the ball in positions they'll be successful. Neither Stuckey or Bynum do that, they go into the paint looking to do one thing which is score.

It would be different if they were dropping the ball off to them, putting them in good positions to score and they just weren't getting the job done but that's not what's happening here. Like I said before, with Rip in the game he's at least going to get Wilcox, Maxiell, and Wallace 2-3 alleys or nice drop off dunks a game. Hell, AI even did that. With Rip out, the only guy to do that is Gordon...

Sure, some of the blame goes to the coach too because he's not putting guys like Maxiell and Wilcox in many plays where they are rolling to the basket, which is where they're both at their best. But to be honest, with the point guards on this team....I wouldn't have that much faith in them to get those guys the ball either.

And btw, its not just the bigs I'm talking about. Stuckey makes no one on this team better, including guards and forwards. What individual player has benefited from Stuckey being out on the court at all? Can't name one...

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And btw, its not just the bigs I'm talking about. Stuckey makes no one on this team better, including guards and forwards. What individual player has benefited from Stuckey being out on the court at all? Can't name one...

I can name one. Stuckey.