They will need to go through teams that have good big men. Boston, Clevland, Orlando, etc. Charlie V. is s good big but can't get it done. I think we can get Boozer. They are really trying to resign Millsap but can't. Possibly Amare. If no more moves are made then Detroit won't be able to get out of the 1st round or not even in the playoffs.

We're not getting Boozer. They would have to trade with a team that has cap-room, so they don't pay the tax. They aren't going to give him away for expiring contracts, because his contract will be expiring.

I don't see any potential moves Rip could get us for a big-man. Bosh is possible, but I doubt it.

Agree somewhat with the premise, but not completely with the sentiment. The Pistons do need to upgrade the front court, but if they can do that without trading Rip?

Plus, Boozer helps with scoring inside and rebounding, but he isn't exactly a great match-up against guys like Shaq and Dwight Howard and he'd have to play center on this team.

I like Amare as a scorer but he presents similar problems with defending big men. His problem is he doesn't. Defend, that is.

If, and I only say if because I don't really think the Pistons need to or have to trade him... but if the Pistons do trade Rip, I'd rather it be for a legitimate center who has size and can defend and rebound, at least better than guys like Boozer or Amare. Even if they're not better players than those two. That's why I'd rather see a Chris Kaman or a Tyson Chandler over Boozer especially.

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Originally posted by detfan08:
We're not getting Boozer. They would have to trade with a team that has cap-room, so they don't pay the tax. They aren't going to give him away for expiring contracts, because his contract will be expiring.

I don't see any potential moves Rip could get us for a big-man. Bosh is possible, but I doubt it.

Not sure I get what you're saying. Rip's contract isn't expiring. And the Jazz don't need to have cap room in order to trade Boozer for Rip. Their salaries match.

I don't want it to happen, but I don't think your post makes sense.

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Originally posted by Jelly:

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Originally posted by detfan08:
We're not getting Boozer. They would have to trade with a team that has cap-room, so they don't pay the tax. They aren't going to give him away for expiring contracts, because his contract will be expiring.

I don't see any potential moves Rip could get us for a big-man. Bosh is possible, but I doubt it.

Not sure I get what you're saying. Rip's contract isn't expiring. And the Jazz don't need to have cap room in order to trade Boozer for Rip. Their salaries match.

I don't want it to happen, but I don't think your post makes sense.

The Utah Jazz don't want Carlos Boozer, because they want Paul Milsap. They can't offer Milsap a contract because if they do, they will have to pay the luxury tax. That is why they didn't want Boozer to opt-in, they wanted Milsap. So trading Boozer for Hamilton's long contract doesn't help their situation at all. It would actually make it worse because they would be stuck with Rips extension.

I said expiring contracts because someone might say; why don't we offer expiring contracts then? Which wouldn't work. They want instant cap relief.

I think Chandler would be a good fit as well. The contracts match up and New Orleans was trying to move him before, I'm not sure if they are now. I think that move would really help Detroit compete with the big guns in the league. If not I don't expect anything better than last year to be honest.

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Originally posted by detfan08:
The Utah Jazz don't want Carlos Boozer, because they want Paul Milsap. They can't offer Milsap a contract because if they do, they will have to pay the luxury tax. That is why they didn't want Boozer to opt-in, they wanted Milsap. So trading Boozer for Hamilton's long contract doesn't help their situation at all. It would actually make it worse because they would be stuck with Rips extension.

I said expiring contracts because someone might say; why don't we offer expiring contracts then? Which wouldn't work. They want instant cap relief.

That makes better sense. I didn't see where you were going with it because no one in this thread was talking about giving expiring contracts to Utah. And, since no one said yet, I didn't know what you were getting at. Plus, you didn't mention Millsap in that first post so I didn't know what you were getting at. So now your point is much clearer.

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Originally posted by Jelly:
That makes better sense. I didn't see where you were going with it because no one in this thread was talking about giving expiring contracts to Utah. And, you didn't mention Millsap in that first post. So now your point is much clearer.

My bad.

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Originally posted by UKPrince22:
I think Chandler would be a good fit as well. The contracts match up and New Orleans was trying to move him before, I'm not sure if they are now. I think that move would really help Detroit compete with the big guns in the league. If not I don't expect anything better than last year to be honest.

For me, Chandler would be ideal but I mentioned him because of that, not because the Pistons can trade for him. They want to dump his salary without taking back a long term deal. Rip is on a long term deal after he signed his extension. I really think it would take expiring contracts to trade for Chandler. For instance, it was rumored that the Suns were going to use Ben Wallace's expiring contract to get Chandler. And, they were ready to give Oklahoma City Chandler for expiring contracts and the rights to Hardin last season. The Hornets are losing money. They probably don't want Rip's contract.

Boozer please, 20+ rebound games and we're on our way.

Rip for Boozer would be depressing. We trade our only consistent player for someone who is consistently injured.

lets say that the pistons trade rip for boozer, let him go next year doesn't that make us players for one top FA next offseason well competing with a solid starting five this year? i would do that trade in a heart beat

I m more n more certain that Tay is the one being traded.

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lets say that the pistons trade rip for boozer, let him go next year doesn't that make us players for one top FA next offseason well competing with a solid starting five this year? i would do that trade in a heart beat

Boozer's expiring $12.3 million contract will not be enough to get a top free agent. This year, by the time they sign the 2nd rnd picks, and Washington/Plaisted, they'll be over the cap, and any trades potentially will put them even further over. Next year, the 2nd and 3rd year players get raises, so the room under the cap may be less the the $12.3 million.

But, I can't see us trading RIP for an expiring contract, and I don't think the Jazz will match Millsap's offer sheet, so Boozer will likely spend this season in Utah, or be traded for another PF.

No guarantee that the Pistons sign their second round picks for 2010-11, certainly not Washington or Plaisted. Did the Pistons ever end up signing Ricky Paulding and Andreas Glyniadakis? Even if the Pistons sign either Summers and/or Jerebko, if they trade Rip for Boozer, they'll have roughly $14-15 million in cap space next summer, as it stands now. That could change if they sign Dice to more than a one year contract and whatever other moves might be made. But, if the Pistons do trade Rip for Boozer, they will have enough cap space to offer a max contract or a contract very close to the max.

pistons could send over a package of maxiell and kwame brown for boozer. this would chop about 3 million off the jazz's payroll, which reduces the tax if they retain millsap. kwame expires at the end of the year. they'd be stuck with maxiell, but they'll need a backup PF anyway.


unfortunately for us, this gives us a logjam at PF. plus we'd have no backup bigmen. and god knows who'd be starting at center

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No guarantee that the Pistons sign their second round picks for 2010-11, certainly not Washington or Plaisted. Did the Pistons ever end up signing Ricky Paulding and Andreas Glyniadakis? Even if the Pistons sign either Summers and/or Jerebko, if they trade Rip for Boozer, they'll have roughly $14-15 million in cap space next summer, as it stands now. That could change if they sign Dice to more than a one year contract and whatever other moves might be made. But, if the Pistons do trade Rip for Boozer, they will have enough cap space to offer a max contract or a contract very close to the max.

Max is something like $22-$23 million. $14-$15 million isn't max.

i think the days of the 20mil+ max contracts are pretty much over. it may be possible if you're somebody like wade, bosh, lebron and keep signing extensions with your current team, but i dont think the pistons could offer anyone that much money even if they had the means

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Originally posted by BYNUM POWER:
i think the days of the 20mil+ max contracts are pretty much over. it may be possible if you're somebody like wade, bosh, lebron and keep signing extensions with your current team, but i dont think the pistons could offer anyone that much money even if they had the means

LeBron, Kobe, and Chris Paul are the only players in the league right now worth 20+ million.
The rest are a grade or two below, IMO.

i'd take wade any day over lebron and paul