IMO.. I believe at least one or two more moves to make.. I'm looking at tyson and bosh coming to us.. It will take alot of luck and some GM's to work with us but it can happen...
Rip, tay and future first or cash for bosh Maxiell, kwame for tyson chandler...
Bosh or Boozer will be a piston before the yr is over..
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Joe could do the Chandler trade first and since the mid-level was used for Kwame, does Joe get to use it again? If he does then Dyess could easily be signed or Brandon Bass.
Toronto is probably gonna hang on 'til the last minute, not willing to face reality until backed against the trade deadline.Joe could just wait toronto out or Phoenix with Stoudamire, dangling Tay and Rip.
Originally posted by UKPrince22: The New Orleans trade won't work. Detroit won't have the cap space to take Chandler's contract, and the Hornets are looking to free up space.
Kwame and Max = 9 million
Chandler = 11.8 million
Joe has about 3.3 million left of capspace,It could certainly be done.
As for New Orleans they have Chandler now at 11.8 million.The trade saves them almost 3 million this year and 7.7 million in 2010 with Kwame's contract off the books.They also get 2 decent frontcourt players, not the washed up Ben Wallace they're thinking about trading Chandler for.
If they don't get Chandler their depth won't matter. It would be guys that can't guard true centers. Chandler is worth the risk because neither Kwame or JMax are outstanding players.
Who guards Dwight Howard? Who guards Shaq? We need Kwame for no other reason than to guard those two guys. Bosh,Chandler and Villenuava would look like kids trying to play against their dads against those two guys. We wouldn't get out of the second round with that line up. What would be the point of the trades? Mediocrity isn't our goal.
Originally posted by ego1970: Who guards Dwight Howard? Who guards Shaq? We need Kwame for no other reason than to guard those two guys. Bosh,Chandler and Villenuava would look like kids trying to play against their dads against those two guys. We wouldn't get out of the second round with that line up. What would be the point of the trades? Mediocrity isn't our goal.
Who would check them.. and what did dwight do against gasol and odom, and what did the cavs do against the magics. I would take bosh, charlie v and tyson over kwame, tay and rip and maxiell..
Bosh or Boozer will be a piston before the yr is over..
Posts: 1613 | Location: Detroit | Registered: April 23, 2003
Originally posted by Jay Jacob: Who would check them.. and what did dwight do against gasol and odom, and what did the cavs do against the magics. I would take bosh, charlie v and tyson over kwame, tay and rip and maxiell..
I don't understand the first part of your post so I will ignore it. I'm not saying those trades wouldn't make us a better team because they would. They wouldn't make us Champions and that is why I don't see the point. Howard and Shaq would just destroy us. We need Kwame because of his size and he is a better than avg defender. I'm all for trading Tay/Rip in order to get front court help but if you are going to involve Kwame than we need to get a legitimate center in return in order to guard the aforementioned guys. Your trades wouldn't allow for that. That line up may look good on paper and in a video game but it isn't going to work in the actual NBA.
Originally posted by Jay Jacob: Who would check them.. and what did dwight do against gasol and odom, and what did the cavs do against the magics. I would take bosh, charlie v and tyson over kwame, tay and rip and maxiell..
I don't understand the first part of your post so I will ignore it. I'm not saying those trades wouldn't make us a better team because they would. They wouldn't make us Champions and that is why I don't see the point. Howard and Shaq would just destroy us. We need Kwame because of his size and he is a better than avg defender. I'm all for trading Tay/Rip in order to get front court help but if you are going to involve Kwame than we need to get a legitimate center in return in order to guard the aforementioned guys. Your trades wouldn't allow for that. That line up may look good on paper and in a video game but it isn't going to work in the actual NBA.
Shack is gonna clog the middle and get in LeBron's way on drives and he CANNOT guard the pick and roll.
Howard doesn't have a back-up(and he gets in alot of foul trouble) and has lost 2 good kick-out options in Turk and Lee, we'll just see about Carter(if he can stay healthy).
I liked Kwame's play last year but holding on to him for 2 players isn't worth it.If his hands were a couple sizes bigger, fine.This team is going to be running alot more, let's see if Shack can keep up and Howard can stay out of foul trouble.
Originally posted by UKPrince22: If they don't get Chandler their depth won't matter. It would be guys that can't guard true centers. Chandler is worth the risk because neither Kwame or JMax are outstanding players.
and Chandler is an outstanding player? guy has a bum foot that nobody want a part of and the fact he was traded for cap space next year lets you know how good he is. Not saying he couldnt be a good center when healthy but he is not worth tradeing our beef upfront for. I guarentee that Max and Kwame have a better chance of slowing down Shaq or Howard than Tyson Chandler. Figure that a good 10th of our schedule will be playing against Orlando or Cleveland you need some big guys upfront.
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Chandler would obviously have to pass the Arnie Kander smell test.If he got Kander's seal of approval, then I'd go for it.How about Brandon Bass with Kwame's mid-level? I'd take him over Max.
Originally posted by obe1ball: Shack is gonna clog the middle and get in LeBron's way on drives and he CANNOT guard the pick and roll.
Howard doesn't have a back-up(and he gets in alot of foul trouble) and has lost 2 good kick-out options in Turk and Lee, we'll just see about Carter(if he can stay healthy).
I liked Kwame's play last year but holding on to him for 2 players isn't worth it.If his hands were a couple sizes bigger, fine.This team is going to be running alot more, let's see if Shack can keep up and Howard can stay out of foul trouble.
The road to the Championship goes through those two guys for us. We can't ignore them. I didn't even mention Gasol or possibly Duncan that will be waiting for us in the finals. You have to have a guy like Kwame to compete. The whole reason Kwame was signed was because we had no answer for the celtics physical play. The playoffs are physical. That front line wouldn't cut it.
Originally posted by obe1ball: Shack is gonna clog the middle and get in LeBron's way on drives and he CANNOT guard the pick and roll.
Howard doesn't have a back-up(and he gets in alot of foul trouble) and has lost 2 good kick-out options in Turk and Lee, we'll just see about Carter(if he can stay healthy).
I liked Kwame's play last year but holding on to him for 2 players isn't worth it.If his hands were a couple sizes bigger, fine.This team is going to be running alot more, let's see if Shack can keep up and Howard can stay out of foul trouble.
The road to the Championship goes through those two guys for us. We can't ignore them. I didn't even mention Gasol or possibly Duncan that will be waiting for us in the finals. You have to have a guy like Kwame to compete. The whole reason Kwame was signed was because we had no answer for the celtics physical play. The playoffs are physical. That front line wouldn't cut it.
I like that your thinking about challenging for the title this year but Shack won't be around in 2010 and like I said Howard has NO back-up.
Kwame may not be around after next season either. It still doesn't change the initial point. The playoffs are physical and you need a guy like Kwame to match up with the Shaqs,Howards,Perkins,Gasol, etc... You have to have some muscle to compete and right now Kwame is pretty much all we have.
Originally posted by obe1ball: Shack is gonna clog the middle and get in LeBron's way on drives and he CANNOT guard the pick and roll.
Howard doesn't have a back-up(and he gets in alot of foul trouble) and has lost 2 good kick-out options in Turk and Lee, we'll just see about Carter(if he can stay healthy).
I liked Kwame's play last year but holding on to him for 2 players isn't worth it.If his hands were a couple sizes bigger, fine.This team is going to be running alot more, let's see if Shack can keep up and Howard can stay out of foul trouble.
The road to the Championship goes through those two guys for us. We can't ignore them. I didn't even mention Gasol or possibly Duncan that will be waiting for us in the finals. You have to have a guy like Kwame to compete. The whole reason Kwame was signed was because we had no answer for the celtics physical play. The playoffs are physical. That front line wouldn't cut it.
I can't believe that you are ok with having Kwame Brown guard Howard and Shaq. I would be fine with that if he was the back up. Brown stinks and can't guard those two for an entire series. If this roster stayed the same. Detroit would lose in the 1st or 2nd round to either Cleveland or Orlando in 5 games. Chandler can do a much better job against those two. I know he is injury prone but Kwame isn't the answer Detroit is looking for. sorry.
Originally posted by ego1970: Kwame may not be around after next season either. It still doesn't change the initial point. The playoffs are physical and you need a guy like Kwame to match up with the Shaqs,Howards,Perkins,Gasol, etc... You have to have some muscle to compete and right now Kwame is pretty much all we have.
You lost me with Gasol.A long shot blocker works better on him, he's a twig that would just draw fouls on Kwame with his multiple post moves.Are we really going to get to the finals with Kwame Brown??? I love your optimism.
Who said anything about having Kwame start? I hope Rip or Tay(even both) get traded for front court guys. You guys are missing the point. You have to have some muscle to get through the playoffs. Those trades left us with none. That frontcourt combined doesn't weigh as much as Shaqs leg. We wouldn't have a good on the ball low post defender. It wouldn't work. You guys can mock Kwame all you want but the sad fact is we need him.
You guys can mock Kwame all you want but the sad fact is we need him.
And that is why this team can't win, because they are counting on Kwame Brown. The guy can be a solid back-up but not the main guy to guard Howard, and Shaq in a playoff series.
I pray Joe D can land Tyson Chandler. And it sounds like it can be done for Kwame Brown and Jason Maxiell. That would be a HUGE move. You'd have a defensive stopper in the paint that's 7'1 and just 26 years old in Chandler. You'd have a 6'11, 24 year old at power forward in CVill. Keep Tayshaun at 6'9 at the small forward. He's a nice defensive piece to go along with Chandler. And at 29, Prince is the grizzled veteran of the time AFTER Rip is dealt for another young piece.
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