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How many of you think this team is a finished product? and If it isn't how do we become a finished product w/o any cap space next year?
I'll explain where i am coming from. Right now we are locked for at least 2 years into 6 players on our team which will eat up about 48-50 million of our cap. The cap is also expected to drop so teams that were planning on loading up on superstars will probably be able to afford one of them. As it stands we have no shot at one. So how do we improve our team? Do we wait for players to grow up or do we try to use them to get proven talent in this league? We have good players now in Charlie V. and ben Gordon! why sit on them for another year while Stuckey tries to figure out how to play in the NBA? Usually by now you either have it or you don't. How many years did Chicago wait on Derick Rose? Utah on Derone Williams? New Orleans on Chris Paul? San Antonio on Tony Parker? Pheonix on Jason Kidd? While other teams wondered when was Steve Francis going to learn how to play. So why hang onto Stucky over player like Rondo who has gotten the job done. Why hang on to Tay when we all know he needs to be traded for this team to get better?If other teams value thenm so much to give us players like Rondo who is better than Stuckey and cap space for 2010; why not take that deal and become better with players you know that can get it done. It's like we hung onto Darko and another Al Jefferson deal passed us up. Joe D you have to make a decision to help this team for one time in your life. Don't mistake legibility for communication - David Carson- |
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6'2" W/O shoes Star |
I don't think this is a finished product. I can see Joe D. making a move around the trade deadline. I think we do need a real PG. If we trade Rip & get a real PG. I'd like Gordon start and Stuckey to come off the bench as back up SG/PG.
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Veteran |
great that sounds like we will make the 1st round for 10 years! to win a championship we need bigs! |
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6'2" W/O shoes Star |
Name the bigs you would go after. The only one I can see is Boozer. I'd do this trade Rip, Prince & Maxiell for Kirilenko, Boozer & Maynor
Bynum/Maynor Gordon/Stuckey/Washington Kirilenko/Daye/Summers Boozer/Villanueva/Wilcox Brown/Wallace/Jerebko |
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Sophomore |
We are far from a finished product. Same thing that was said before the season started in 2003. Joe really has no where to go with this. His mistake wasn't the Chauncey trade, it was the Rip extension. As long as he's still our #1 Option we have to run an offense in a motion style. Therefore making the point guard look bad because more times than not he's not making decisions with the ball, just a part of the offense. But right now Joe is just hoping one of the signees are going to spark a bit season a la Ben Wallace, and Chucky did. Remember the year Ben arrived Stackhouse had his best year as a pro. We won't get another high caliber player in FA, even with space. We don't have any pieces to trade for somebody that good without gutting our roster. I'd wait until Prince and Hamilton is their final years before you might see a bigger trade. For now, we just have to hope and pray somebody we just got or drafted catches fire. Very exciting times... |
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Star |
Joe D will save us! He'll take us to the lottery and then draft another Milicic! I'm counting down the days!
Go with the flowlo |
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Moderation Superstar |
As a passer, ball handler and floor leader, Gordon is definitely a step down from Stuckey. Starting Gordon at point is a guarantee the Pistons lead the league in TO's. |
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 The Evil Genius Superstar |
The Pistons are not a finished product. Two things are going to have to happen for them to get there. #1- trades to make us better. We have a lot of qaulity gaurds and we are deep in average big men. Package them up for one good player. Hopefully it's a quality big and hopefully that trade gives us cap spaces as well but that might be wishfull thinking.
#2- Our young players need to grow and step up to the plate. Their performances need to be consistant and not so up and down. Those players are going to HAVE to be Stuckey and CV. I think they are the x factors for us this season. I haven't seen much of the preseason so I don't know how Stuckey is looking and you can't tell much from his stats. We also don't get to see practice and if he is progressing. I really wish we had Larry Brown here to teach him. Anyway, if a good offer comes a long for Stuckey then take it but I don't think any of those are coming.  "Excellent" mwhaa ha ha ha ha! 2008/09 Season GTS Winner- 10/29/08 - 12/2/08 - 12/31/08 - 1/17/09 - 1/21/09 - 2/27/09 - 4/11/09 - 4/15/09 - 4/18/09 2007 & 2008 Pistons.com Fantasy Football Champion |
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Superstar |
So no one thinks Rondo, Ray Allen, and a first rounder for Tay, Rip, and Stuckey was good enough?
A P, salary cap relief and a first rounder came in one package and Joe d did not take it. You guys have to realize by now that this guy is scared and has no plan to get better. Joe D you better fix this. Don't mistake legibility for communication - David Carson- |
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 Latino Mega Superstar |
Is that better than the Current Jazz?     |
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Star |
I've been saying that too. In pre-season. Gordon is averaging 2.5 assists to Stuckey's 1.5. Gordon believes he can play PG, and appears to make nice passes. Why not try it? Stuckey can come off the bench to backup Hamilton and Gordon. Stuckey's has the skills to be an good 2, but may take time to develop as a PG. Dave B |
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Star |
Bynum is good off the bench, but is not a starter. And, Bynum and Gordon together gives us a very small backcourt. Gordon usually defends PG's, and is too small to handle many SG's. And, Bynum can't defend big PG's. Boozer is not much better than Villanueva, and isn't under contract beyond this year. Kirilenko is not as good as Tayshaun, wasn't even a starter, and has a bad contract. Your lineup looks like a high lottery team. If we're looking for 20 wins, a high lottery pick, and cap space, this is the way to go. Dave B |
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Veteran |
No way we only win 20 games.
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6'2" W/O shoes Star |
high lottery team? 20 wins? yea right! How many wins do you think our current is going to get? My guess is around 41. With all said we're not a finished product. We still need a good big & a real PG. My trade we'd be getting both & maybe a little better at SF. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Ocellatus, |
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Rookie |
Stucky not the problem, the lack of inside scoring is gonna be the problem with this team, its funny people say trade Stukey for Rondo,all i can say to that is if stucky had KG, Allen, and The Truth to pass the ball to he would look like a Allstar also and don't compare Stucky to CP3, or Derone Williams those guys are true point guards not a two guard trying to learn the point position.
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Star |
I think our front court is fine with Brown/Wilcox at C and Villanueva with Wilcox/Jerebko at PF, with Wallace backing up both positions. And, replacing Prince with Kirilenko does not make us better at SF. The problem is PG, but starting Bynum/Gordon at guard makes us undersized and weak defensively. But, if we wanted to try that duo, we don't need to make a trade. Dave B |
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Veteran |
do you know how valuable c's re in the league ?? how many 20/10 guys are there in the league ?? 6 maybe ? .. and c's who play with their back to the basket are even more rare .. i'd say we need a defesive specilest ..chris anderson .. camby .. joe needs to make an offer to denver and clippers near the deadline .. between kaman/griffin/camby somebody is gonne get left out my guess is camby
  gtsw - 2/13/08 ..4/27/08 ... 12/27/08 |
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Star |
How many of you think this team is a finished product? and If it isn't how do we become a finished product w/o any cap space next year?
I don't think this is a finished product yet. We trade for a big name player, and try to get them to sign an extension. (Bosh or Amare) The cap will drop so far that it won't be worth making a trade just to get 2010 cap space. Basicly you get an expiring contract and you are barely under the new cap and out a good player to do it. MDD |
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