I am a huge Stuckey fan but i still think his game is better suited as a 2 guard. We shouldof traded RIP not chauncey last year and let this guy develop into a slashing 2 guard ala D-Wade. He would compliment a 3 ball shooting PG nicely. That all being said i do think he is servicable at PG but the ceiling isnt nearly as high. I think at this point in time we should consider moving RIP for (a big/some cap space for next year/to get will more PT) and use Stuckey as a combo guard. He could start at PG and slide over to the two when will comes in for BG.
***please dont hijack this thread and turn it into another trade stuckey thread!!! face it if were moving anybody its probably going to be a vet with a nice contract once we have fallen from the title race. TY ***
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Posts: 287 | Location: Lansing, MI | Registered: June 28, 2005
i wouldn't be opposed to stuckey and gordon switching roles. ben gordon with pg skills is a helluva lot more dangerous than stuckey with some. at this point, i dont think we're any better off with stuckey at the 1
1.Rip might be a better shooter,only coming off screens but he can not create his own shot. 2.Rip is a poor ball handler 3.The jury is still out about he is a better defender
Posts: 117 | Location: USA | Registered: December 27, 2002
I'm a fan of Rips for life. But if it's the only way we can get a big and start getting some real wins then hey it's the business. I do like rip matching up with any other 2 guard in the league!!! Rip's time has come and gone. Trade him to phoenix for Amare. Or someone who is better than kwame brown.
Originally posted by lady#1fan: 1.Rip might be a better shooter,only coming off screens but he can not create his own shot. 2.Rip is a poor ball handler 3.The jury is still out about he is a better defender
Yup, Rip scores by using screens or beating his guy with his quickness to the rim.
But how many times have we seen Stuckey create or force his shots and get called for charging and other turnovers?
It makes no sense to me why no one is taking the time to either show him (stuckey) the pg posistion or even addressing it for that matter. Their only concern is that he scores.
I was hoping that Coach Q being from cleveland and having the credit of being the main x and o's guy. could have him playing more like Lebron. looking to hit teamates on the fly while still attacking the basket.
It would open the game up so much more for Stuckey. and no one seems to get it.
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I think stuckey is in a stage where he needs to learn when to shoot and when to pass. The coach has mentioned that he needs to learn. Stuckey is taking on a lot of responsibility and hes not just goning to learn over night. This is a very important season for him, he's either gonna get it or he's not.
Lets squash putting BG at pg, because he's not a pg at all. This team needs Ben to do one thing and thats score. We didnt get him to be a pg and if Stuck and Ben switched roles it would be the dumbest move and would set this team back as far a chemistry is concerned even more. He's not a pg, period.
Lastly, I honestly do not want to see rip handle the ball that much. He needs to come off screens because he draws serious double teams off them which opens up the court for everyone else. When stuckey is in the game the ball needs to be in his hands, not Rip's. This is the only way to see if stuckey is good or not. He needs to make the decisions with the ball instead of handing it to Rip and running to a corner.
Originally posted by Cookie Dough: I think stuckey is in a stage where he needs to learn when to shoot and when to pass. The coach has mentioned that he needs to learn. Stuckey is taking on a lot of responsibility and hes not just goning to learn over night. This is a very important season for him, he's either gonna get it or he's not.
Lets squash putting BG at pg, because he's not a pg at all. This team needs Ben to do one thing and thats score. We didnt get him to be a pg and if Stuck and Ben switched roles it would be the dumbest move and would set this team back as far a chemistry is concerned even more. He's not a pg, period.
Lastly, I honestly do not want to see rip handle the ball that much. He needs to come off screens because he draws serious double teams off them which opens up the court for everyone else. When stuckey is in the game the ball needs to be in his hands, not Rip's. This is the only way to see if stuckey is good or not. He needs to make the decisions with the ball instead of handing it to Rip and running to a corner.
Originally posted by Cookie Dough: I think stuckey is in a stage where he needs to learn when to shoot and when to pass. The coach has mentioned that he needs to learn. Stuckey is taking on a lot of responsibility and hes not just goning to learn over night. This is a very important season for him, he's either gonna get it or he's not.
Lets squash putting BG at pg, because he's not a pg at all. This team needs Ben to do one thing and thats score. We didnt get him to be a pg and if Stuck and Ben switched roles it would be the dumbest move and would set this team back as far a chemistry is concerned even more. He's not a pg, period.
Lastly, I honestly do not want to see rip handle the ball that much. He needs to come off screens because he draws serious double teams off them which opens up the court for everyone else. When stuckey is in the game the ball needs to be in his hands, not Rip's. This is the only way to see if stuckey is good or not. He needs to make the decisions with the ball instead of handing it to Rip and running to a corner.
Originally posted by Cookie Dough: I think stuckey is in a stage where he needs to learn when to shoot and when to pass. The coach has mentioned that he needs to learn. Stuckey is taking on a lot of responsibility and hes not just goning to learn over night. This is a very important season for him, he's either gonna get it or he's not.
Lets squash putting BG at pg, because he's not a pg at all. This team needs Ben to do one thing and thats score. We didnt get him to be a pg and if Stuck and Ben switched roles it would be the dumbest move and would set this team back as far a chemistry is concerned even more. He's not a pg, period.
Lastly, I honestly do not want to see rip handle the ball that much. He needs to come off screens because he draws serious double teams off them which opens up the court for everyone else. When stuckey is in the game the ball needs to be in his hands, not Rip's. This is the only way to see if stuckey is good or not. He needs to make the decisions with the ball instead of handing it to Rip and running to a corner.
A few things that I don't understand about our current team structure based on what I saw in preseason are,
1) Who do we play in the 4th qtr in crunch time (assuming no foul trouble etc.)? If you play Stuckey at pg then that means if Rip and Ben are going to stay at sg then one of them is going to be on the bench which would not seem to be the smartest thing. I'd rather have both of them on the floor rather than Stuckey so one of them (Rip/Gordon) has to get comfortable running the point. 2) Stuckey led the team in shot attempts too many times. Why doesn't Joe or the coach reign him in and tell him that he's not our go-to guy. Primarily he needs to run the offense and get assists. Scoring should not be his focus. Stuckey should routinely be 4th in fg attempts behind Gordon, Rip, and Villanueva. 3) Form last nights performance it appears that given the minutes, Big Ben is still our best rebounder and shot blocker. Let him play...
Originally posted by trade101: A few things that I don't understand about our current team structure based on what I saw in preseason are,
1) Who do we play in the 4th qtr in crunch time (assuming no foul trouble etc.)? If you play Stuckey at pg then that means if Rip and Ben are going to stay at sg then one of them is going to be on the bench which would not seem to be the smartest thing. I'd rather have both of them on the floor rather than Stuckey so one of them (Rip/Gordon) has to get comfortable running the point. 2) Stuckey led the team in shot attempts too many times. Why doesn't Joe or the coach reign him in and tell him that he's not our go-to guy. Primarily he needs to run the offense and get assists. Scoring should not be his focus. Stuckey should routinely be 4th in fg attempts behind Gordon, Rip, and Villanueva. 3) Form last nights performance it appears that given the minutes, Big Ben is still our best rebounder and shot blocker. Let him play...
1. Rip would move to SF. 2. Stuckey needs to run the offense and if it creates opportunities for himself, he better take them. I think scoring is one of his best qualities and it puts pressure on the defense. FG attempts should not be an issue with this team. 3. You got one thing right, Ben should play.
Stuckey should be kept as PG. He has the physical tools to dominate the position, and honestly, Zeke wasn't a pass first PG or a game manager either, and Chauncey only a game manager. He needs time, a lot of time, almost C-Bill amount of time. IMO, he needs to be put back onto the bench and we need a veteran PG who understands how to play the point. A couple years seasoning under a mentor will do wonders.
As for Ben Gordon, I agree with Cookie Dough. He's brought here to score, so you really need to feed him the ball. In crunch time, scratch putting Villanueva on the court until he has shown he can defend. Stuck, Gordon, Rip, Tay, and Ben/Kwame should be in there.
Originally posted by The Question: Stuckey should be kept as PG. He has the physical tools to dominate the position, and honestly, Zeke wasn't a pass first PG or a game manager either, and Chauncey only a game manager. He needs time, a lot of time, almost C-Bill amount of time. IMO, he needs to be put back onto the bench and we need a veteran PG who understands how to play the point. A couple years seasoning under a mentor will do wonders.
As for Ben Gordon, I agree with Cookie Dough. He's brought here to score, so you really need to feed him the ball. In crunch time, scratch putting Villanueva on the court until he has shown he can defend. Stuck, Gordon, Rip, Tay, and Ben/Kwame should be in there.
I agree that Stuckey should come off the bench, but then you've got him and BG on the bench with some other vet starting at pg. I can't think of a successful team that has/had a Rip/Gordon situation, no point forward, and a gunning pg that won't pass like he should.
If Rip gets moved to sf at money time then he's going to be asked to check, 'Bron, Pierce, Rashard Lewis, Artest, Carmelo etc...not good. We already know what happens to Tayshaun...not good either. If Tay is at pf the he's going to have to guard, Gasol, Nowitski, Bosh, Amare etc. which is ridiculous.
There's no way that either Rip, Gordon or Villanueva should be on the bench at money time they are our big 3. So again, if Rip is not at sf and Tay not at pf then either Rip or Gordon will have to run the point. So they should get used to it because it's the only way they can probably co-exist.
Zeke avg'd 9.3 assts for his career, he passed the ball.
Originally posted by The Question: Stuckey should be kept as PG. He has the physical tools to dominate the position, and honestly, Zeke wasn't a pass first PG or a game manager either, and Chauncey only a game manager. He needs time, a lot of time, almost C-Bill amount of time. IMO, he needs to be put back onto the bench and we need a veteran PG who understands how to play the point. A couple years seasoning under a mentor will do wonders.
As for Ben Gordon, I agree with Cookie Dough. He's brought here to score, so you really need to feed him the ball. In crunch time, scratch putting Villanueva on the court until he has shown he can defend. Stuck, Gordon, Rip, Tay, and Ben/Kwame should be in there.
I disagree with putting stuckey on the bench. At that point you would have stunted his growth by telling him you dont believe in him as a pg. This franchise has committed to stuckey being the starter when they traded billups. If we need another pg to run this team we may as well trade stuckey because there is no point in holding on to him. We dont have a couple years to wait on him develop. Benching him is a complete waste of our time, we need to see what he can do.
Originally posted by The Question: Stuckey should be kept as PG. He has the physical tools to dominate the position, and honestly, Zeke wasn't a pass first PG or a game manager either, and Chauncey only a game manager. He needs time, a lot of time, almost C-Bill amount of time. IMO, he needs to be put back onto the bench and we need a veteran PG who understands how to play the point. A couple years seasoning under a mentor will do wonders.
As for Ben Gordon, I agree with Cookie Dough. He's brought here to score, so you really need to feed him the ball. In crunch time, scratch putting Villanueva on the court until he has shown he can defend. Stuck, Gordon, Rip, Tay, and Ben/Kwame should be in there.
I agree that Stuckey should come off the bench, but then you've got him and BG on the bench with some other vet starting at pg. I can't think of a successful team that has/had a Rip/Gordon situation, no point forward, and a gunning pg that won't pass like he should.
If Rip gets moved to sf at money time then he's going to be asked to check, 'Bron, Pierce, Rashard Lewis, Artest, Carmelo etc...not good. We already know what happens to Tayshaun...not good either. If Tay is at pf the he's going to have to guard, Gasol, Nowitski, Bosh, Amare etc. which is ridiculous.
There's no way that either Rip, Gordon or Villanueva should be on the bench at money time they are our big 3. So again, if Rip is not at sf and Tay not at pf then either Rip or Gordon will have to run the point. So they should get used to it because it's the only way they can probably co-exist.
Zeke avg'd 9.3 assts for his career, he passed the ball.
Someone please name this mysterious veteran pg we could get? Why are we so quick after some pre season games to bench stuckey? Where is this team going this year?! Nowhere!! Stuckey should start then we can see if he's our pg. Stuckey actually does pass, the boxscore doesnt tell the whole story.
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