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The sixers made the finals in Philly with AI.
AI worked well in Philly becuase they had alot of Deffensive Bigmen shot blockers and rebounders(Mutumbo,G.Lynch, T.Hill) and an excellent deffensive gaurd in Eric Snow . Thus, AIs missed shots and deffensive gambles were not an issue.

Aron Mcee and Matt Harpring were minor offensive players.

Thus AI did well surounded by defenders who mostly sucked at offense. He does not do well when he is put with offensive capable players such as Carmelo or the Pistons starting unit. His domination of the ball detracts from the flow of the offence.

The obvious question is can we make a lineup in which AI does well for the Pistons? I think we can, but it will require a starting unit without Iverson that would play little with Iverson. The starters would come out as an entire unit.

Starters :Stucky, RIP, Prince, Rasheed, Johnson

Reserves:
Pistons---Iverson Sixers--Iverson
Pistons---Affelo Sixers---Snow
Pistons---Brown Sixers---Mutumbo
Pistons---Maxiel/Dice Sixers---G.Linch/ T.Hill
Pistons---Herman Sixers---Mckee

Granted the Sixers starters would be better than the Piston reserves, but I think the lineup would work. For example Brown is nowhere near Mutubo, but he is a good deffensive big man. Dice and Maxiel, could do the weak side shot blocking and rebonding that George Lynch and Tyrone Hill used to do.

Affelo is very much like Snow on Deffence and also doesn't screw up on offence.

Herman can hit the weak side 3-pointers that Mcee used to get after Iveron drives, and Dice Maxiel can also add needed offence.


Before you guys trash this idea, let me state that I know the defense of the Sixers that played with AI would be better than this unit. But then again this unit would only have to do it in reserve minutes, not through a whole game.

For those who think this would mean that AI would play too little, I am not opposed to using the 3 guard lineup for 20 minutes per game. Thus AI would play in both of these lineups.

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lol


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Yawnnnn... another Iverson off the bench thread.


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What is this love fest with maxiell? He doesn't play hard every night like he use to...


Bosh or Boozer will be a piston before the yr is over..
 
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What is this love fest with maxiell? He doesn't play hard every night like he use to...


How can he? He dont play. Like i always say to be a consitent player you half to get consistent minutes.


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ya know we could have had a.i. at his prime .. freakin geiger Mad






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He SUCKS! LOL!

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you did not just compare Kwame to Mutombo. Say youre sorry




 
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The guy just had an opinion, no need to put him down.

Anyway, interesting point. Iverson is at his best when he creates his own play instead of doing the sets they make.

But it all depends on Curry on how he handles the lineup.

As long as there is a proven offensive player/s in the 2nd unit, I'm fine with it.
 
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That's what people do here now Walter. They don't agree but don't have the knowhow to state their opinion to prove them otherwise so they just call them a name. Silly and sad.





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That's what people do here now Walter. They don't agree but don't have the knowhow to state their opinion to prove them otherwise so they just call them a name. Silly and sad.


i agree what has this place come to
 
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Dale Davis and Antonio Davis never played for the Sixers. You could be thinking of Tyrone Hill/George Lynch. Lynch played the SF.


Yes, I was mixing up Pacers and Sixers but the same argument stands.

As I stated, Ofcourse Mutumbo is better than Brown and thats the main drawback to this unit with AI, but it would be a reserve unit and not a starting one.


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It is a hard call between Johnson and Maxiel as the starter

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What is this love fest with maxiell? He doesn't play hard every night like he use to...


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Originally posted by EricLeckner:
It is a hard call between Johnson and Maxiel as the starter

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What is this love fest with maxiell? He doesn't play hard every night like he use to...


Amir is twice as properous as Max. Not only Amir is younger but he has the length(6'10.5") to make him more compatible to the bigger PFs in the league. At 6'7"(or even shorter), thats really a big obstacle of Max in NBA as a PF.

Maxiell's free throw is even worse than Shaq's!~

From what i've seem of Kwame today, he deserves more chances as well as the other two. Though having some silly turnovers, he is getting more effective offensively n grabbing rebounds we needed. Thats what i expected from a backup center. Max or Dice at 5 is way too undersized




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afflalo is light years better than eric snow...i think snows last made jump shot was in 2000 god hes a terrible player how is he still in the nba



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Originally posted by EricLeckner:
The sixers made the finals in Philly with AI.
AI worked well in Philly becuase they had alot of Deffensive Bigmen shot blockers and rebounders(Mutumbo,G.Lynch, T.Hill) and an excellent deffensive gaurd in Eric Snow . Thus, AIs missed shots and deffensive gambles were not an issue.

Aron Mcee and Matt Harpring were minor offensive players.

Thus AI did well surounded by defenders who mostly sucked at offense. He does not do well when he is put with offensive capable players such as Carmelo or the Pistons starting unit. His domination of the ball detracts from the flow of the offence.

The obvious question is can we make a lineup in which AI does well for the Pistons? I think we can, but it will require a starting unit without Iverson that would play little with Iverson. The starters would come out as an entire unit.

Starters :Stucky, RIP, Prince, Rasheed, Maxiel

Reserves:
Pistons---Iverson Sixers--Iverson
Pistons---Affelo Sixers---Snow
Pistons---Brown Sixers---Mutumbo
Pistons---Johnson/Dice Sixers---G.Linch/ T.Hill
Pistons---Herman Sixers---Mckee

Granted the Sixers starters would be better than the Piston reserves, but I think the lineup would work. For example Brown is nowhere near Mutubo, but he is a good deffensive big man. Dice and Johnson, could do the weak side shot blocking and rebonding that George Lynch and Tyrone Hill used to do.

Affelo is very much like Snow on Deffence and also doesn't screw up on offence.

Herman can hit the weak side 3-pointers that Mcee used to get after Iveron drives, and Dice Maxiel can also add needed offence.


Before you guys trash this idea, let me state that I know the defense of the Sixers that played with AI would be better than this unit. But then again this unit would only have to do it in reserve minutes, not through a whole game.

For those who think this would mean that AI would play too little, I am not opposed to using the 3 guard lineup for 20 minutes per game. Thus AI would play in both of these lineups.


I wouldn't mind trying that lineup. I think you have a good point.


 
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afflalo is light years better than eric snow...i think snows last made jump shot was in 2000 god hes a terrible player how is he still in the nba


He was horrible offensively, but a savvy veteran and a very good defender. He wasn't a very good player, but did the most with what he had.

Notice the past tense? That's because he is unofficially retired. The Cavs have to wait 41 games until the insurance will pay his salary of 7 million dollars. It won't count against the cap that way. He's "technically" on the Cavs roster, but is retired.


 
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afflalo is light years better than eric snow...i think snows last made jump shot was in 2000 god hes a terrible player how is he still in the nba

also if you read what he said all the way through, he was compairring them(Affalo and Snow) on Defense not overall.


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My comparison was on defence because that is most relivent to my arguement. But back when Eric Snow was younger (when they went to the Finals) his offensive production must have been as good or better than Affelo's currently is.

Currently the "retired" Eric Snow has nothing left on offence. But he used to be good for 10 a night.

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Originally posted by Fear Amir 08:
afflalo is light years better than eric snow...i think snows last made jump shot was in 2000 god hes a terrible player how is he still in the nba

also if you read what he said all the way through, he was compairring them(Affalo and Snow) on Defense not overall.
 
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OK, Johnson can start and Maxiel can go off the bench. Todays game is one more game to prove your point. I will edit the intitial post
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Originally posted by EricLeckner:
It is a hard call between Johnson and Maxiel as the starter

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Originally posted by Jay Jacob:
What is this love fest with maxiell? He doesn't play hard every night like he use to...


Amir is twice as properous as Max. Not only Amir is younger but he has the length(6'10.5") to make him more compatible to the bigger PFs in the league. At 6'7"(or even shorter), thats really a big obstacle of Max in NBA as a PF.

Maxiell's free throw is even worse than Shaq's!~

From what i've seem of Kwame today, he deserves more chances as well as the other two. Though having some silly turnovers, he is getting more effective offensively n grabbing rebounds we needed. Thats what i expected from a backup center. Max or Dice at 5 is way too undersized
 
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